| Should we apologise for past demenours???? |
| Yes as it is the way forward. |
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| They got what they deserved and its better this way. |
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| stavrizatz wrote: |
Brother, very well spoken but a small disagreement. I think DLS is right, we cannot say sorry for something that we haven't done. I know the point is to respect and not about saying sorry but a better word that we might use is achknowledge.
Eg. I acknowledge the past: "yes attrocities occured to both communities - respect to all the people who suffered and are still suffering from these attrocities" |
And that is exactly what my sorry is.
As for propaganda.
How long did we sit back and let the Greek propaganda run us into the ground. How long did we wait for reason to sort it self out and show the suffering of us Turks too. All I heard was the Greek side of the story and we the Turks were the barbarians. We the Turks filled the mass graves with Greek Cypriots. We the Turks destroyed the constitution.
I did not see many De-la souls shouting that they acknowledged our suffering. What I saw was Greek statistics of the dead and Greek women standing in long rows with photos of their dead (God bless them).
Now that we are speaking up and trying to set the record straight we are accused of propaganda. I agree with anyone that says it was your fault for not speaking up before but we had faith and yes we were suppressed by Turkey but that has all changed with the freedom of the Internet.
Now I will again say I am sorry. I will again say that I acknowledge that the Greek Cypriots suffered greatly. Now you do the same............ |
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| zan you are flogging a dead horse this subject was aginst raised some time ago and many Greek Cypriots do not feel any remorse for the actions of their community, they try to make it personal and excuse themselves by saying they had nothing to do with it so why should they apologise. They have great problems understanding that apologies serve an overall psycological purpose to confirm that these people regret what happened to us in the past. Obviously they do not feel that way, so why should you solely apologise, it is nothing but a one sided exercise. |
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| Viewpoint wrote: |
| zan you are flogging a dead horse this subject was aginst raised some time ago and many Greek Cypriots do not feel any remorse for the actions of their community, they try to make it personal and excuse themselves by saying they had nothing to do with it so why should they apologise. They have great problems understanding that apologies serve an overall psycological purpose to confirm that these people regret what happened to us in the past. Obviously they do not feel that way, so why should you solely apologise, it is nothing but a one sided exercise. |
I would not say all but I get what you mean. I have heard some say sorry and I genuinely believe they meant it and I thank them for it. Some are so fed up with these repetitive threads that they have chosen to put themselves above commenting once again and this is wrong. My tolerance level has not yet been reached and I feel that it has a long long way to go. I believe it is time to speak up and put our case and I thank De-a-soul and people like him for recharging my batteries. |
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| Its your head you can bang it all you want. |
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| zan wrote: |
It's a good a thing my brains are in my ass  |
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| Viewpoint wrote: |
| zan you are flogging a dead horse this subject was aginst raised some time ago and many Greek Cypriots do not feel any remorse for the actions of their community, they try to make it personal and excuse themselves by saying they had nothing to do with it so why should they apologise. They have great problems understanding that apologies serve an overall psycological purpose to confirm that these people regret what happened to us in the past. Obviously they do not feel that way, so why should you solely apologise, it is nothing but a one sided exercise. |
Like i said if you acknowledge and feel remorse for the suffering of the Greek Cypriot then you should not need anything in return but you will know as the rest will that your humanity is intact and the ones who make no attempts to reconcile, acknowledge, apologise etc. can live with their bitter and twisted souls for all eternity. |
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| De_La_Soul wrote: |
where does 'sorry' really get you?
How much say did you Dhavlos or Brother have in any of the murders that have taken place in the Cyprus problem?? What is the point of saying sorry when the people that DID actually make those decisions or actually took someones life are not sincerely sorry themselves???
How sincere is that apology if you have nothing directly to do with the crime that has been committed??
Sorry doesnt get our heritage and homes back right now while they are being held to ransom. |
No didn't think you were one to apologies, read the above and understand why neither side will forgive or forget and why the division will go on for more than your life time. |
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I wrote a post, somehow it is not here. The feelings were very personal and to repeat them will not do their expression any justice.
I want to be on record to say that you brother, are a man of great sensitivity, and I applaud your effort. My great aunt and I have said the same thing a long time ago. The point being that we believe that there is not one family in Cyprus who has not suffered. The denial, that somehow we can recognise this fact and still act in ways that support the venom is quite normal, as the way of the world goes. So DlS is right. So too his adversaries, yet more importantly is the way forward and what must be done.
With Apology and Respect comes giving. This is lacking because it cannot be given in trade. Beyond the issue is the betterment of the Human condition, which has fallen on all the people of Cyprus to provide. Not one idea or the other, but the idea that is so simple, even a child will know that it is right. |
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stavrizatz
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I acknoledge and respect the true history of Cyprus. I recognise that peoples reality changes constantly as knowledge is infinate and the truth is hidden somewhere through the thousands of stories but we only able to scratch the surface. According to my perception of reality in the present, as a Greek Cypriot I acknowledge the following points.
1. 1878-1931: that Greek Cypriots did not widely consider Turkish Cypriots in their demand for enosis
2. 1931-1955: the Greek Cypriot anticolonisation campaign continued to ignore Turkish Cypriot will.
3. 1955-1959: The EOKA struggle exluded Turkish Cypriots and the left and some deaths against Turkish Cypriots who alligned themselves with the British and leftist who opposed the struggle.
4. 1963-1967: the 13 changes to constitution were forced upon Turkish Cypriot community, and during the 4 year of bicommunal conflict the true victims of the fights were the Turkish Cypriots who were forced to live in enclaves, some 400-500 people died and others were missing. Some were put into mass graves and among the victims were women and children.
5. to date: some fundamental human rights of Turkish Cypriots are still abandoned such as their right to return to all their properties, their right to vote and be elected even if they live in the North.
For me a solution is the one that considers the human rights of all Cypriots and as a Greek Cypriot I will do my best to stand up for the human rights of my compatriots and brothers Turkish Cypriots.
At the same time I do not forget other aspects of the Cyprus problem and similarly I do not forget other values such as freedom, peace and democracy.
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Ps. I forget to say
I acknowledge and respect that the history war is played by the Greek Cypriot community with little interest in revealing the truth, rather a desperate attempt to swear up their arguments and come up to their misrepresenting conclusions. |
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repulsewarrior
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| Can we make this topic a sticky? |
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| repulsewarrior wrote: |
| Can we make this topic a sticky? |
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| De_La_Soul wrote: |
...and what say did the 'Grecophones' have when they were under a 300 odd year oppression from the 'Turcophones'? Or when the 'Turcophones' sided with our new masters the British.
Was it so wrong for us to have our own say on our own destiny, especially after so many years of oppression and poverty???
At the end of the day, Cyprus was under occupation and in poverty, why the hell couldnt we have our own say? In a time of desperation, did you expect the Greek Cypriots to lose out on their democratic right for the sake of the decendents of our Ottoman oppressors. What did they do for US!? |
Here and now... no truer words,
except that Cyprus has been subjugated for thousand of years...
without this opportunity.
And our duty to Mankind comes from our membership in the UN.
...What about our giving?
Remember the Great War...
It is more like, " What can I give toward the benefit of the Human Condition? "
rather than, " What can I take for my part from others? "
My opinion, the British gave us the Rule of Law, they should be applauded for that. For our part, a large majority, EOKA was formed to act against the unruliness of troops, and an institution which taxed without representation. The rest is History.
Who cares now, the past is dead;
forgive me.
But,
I will not foresake all the ones who fell before me, for Freedom,
and this right, for our self-determination.
We have only to use our reason as Human Beings, to embrace the future, and to create a way of living where Cyprus holds Cypriots, as people mostly "Greek" or "Turk", members of the Family of Man. |
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