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Which is the Fairest solution for the Cyprus problem?
A solution based on / or similar to the Anan Plan
25%
 25%  [ 4 ]
A solution based on / or similar to the 1960 constitution
31%
 31%  [ 5 ]
Union of Cyprus with Greece
6%
 6%  [ 1 ]
Devision: two separate and independent countries
25%
 25%  [ 4 ]
Other
12%
 12%  [ 2 ]
Total Votes : 16

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repulsewarrior

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So here we are again... the best solution is...

Gotta think of the settlers, sorry you can't just blow them away.

There are tens of thousands, if not a hundred thousand, (of us) who still have a desire to return, to care for, and be close to their land, even if it means displacement after having waited for fifty to some thirty years.

The right of return cannot be ignored either and for the same reasons.

Mankind all Mankind desire their individual freedom, holding this with the highest esteem: the freedom of movement, expression and association. The Modern World, consists of these elements and a rule of law which extends the responsibility of it defense to society, as a whole, through democratic choice.. There is no difference on this island, because all people are equal in this assumption.

A Republic of Cyprus exists. It is maturing to be a country with a high level of socio-economic achievement, even in dysfunction. It is possible to reform its Constitution, and it is necessary, to be in conformity with its membership to the EU, and yet most importantly, to realise a State with its support from the citizenry as a whole.

I see the word enclave twisted on its head, in my Cyprus. In my mind there is a Turkish Cypriot enclave [call it Canton (among several in the south)] right next to Paphos. I see the village of Komi Kebir, an important crossroad for Greek Cypriots, as well. I see our cities, rich, with the meeting, the sights and the smells, of East and West, beyond the imagination of white men or brown men. What is wrong with these jewels scattered over the island; does it not add to each culture's vitality. Does it not solve the settler's shame, with a home to call their own? Does it not allow for the right of return, as communities? Can it not be a basis to define the word bi-zonal? Fixing the proportions, without moving the border; two territories without splitting the island in two.

There should be a bicameral legislature for our Federal Government: a Lower House of representation by independents, one elected from each riding, ...and an Upper House where there are an equal number of seats, for Turkish Cypriots, as for Greek Cypriots. Parties campaign, to have elected their representatives, to win the house majority, and to lead. Citizens, each have to choose, one Greek Cypriot representative, and one Turkish Cypriot representative, from two slates. This is bi-communal.

If the Lower House fills the seats in the Committees of the (Upper House) Government, then the citizen is assured complete transparency (in its work), Good Government, and a system of Government which can sustain itself.

Add to this mix two governments, one Greek Cypriot, and one Turkish Cypriot, each with a territory for their jurisdiction, each with their duty to provide for their citizenry an infrastructure, for their daily lives, as communities, and as a people having distinctive qualities, each recognising the rights of their minorities, and each achieving self determination through representation.

And you have an island, to enjoy, and to prosper.

...an example for others torn apart, worth considering.
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stavrizatz

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 4:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

RW wrote:
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Gotta think of the settlers, sorry you can't just blow them away
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Of course you cannot just blow them away. But the settlers have a significant impact on the demographics of Cyprus and I believe it was hard for them to adapt to the Turkish Cypriot culture and it was hard for Turkish Cypriots to adapt to the settlers. Let's say there is a solution, where will the settlers go if the refugees return to their properties? Also I am wondering, how did they accept to be used by the Turkish government to settle in Cyprus so as to create additional complexities to the solution. Were they aware of it or ignorant. I mean stealing property is a crime but accepting stolen property is also a crime, if you know is stolen (kleptapodoxoi).

RW:
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Add to this mix two governments, one Greek Cypriot, and one Turkish Cypriot, each with a territory for their jurisdiction, each with their duty to provide for their citizenry an infrastructure, for their daily lives, as communities, and as a people having distinctive qualities, each recognising the rights of their minorities, and each achieving self determination through representation.

Do you beleive that having such a model should stay in place forever or for a transitional period? If it is forever then we'll be ethnically separated forever. Lets say I want to live in the north part of Cyprus; will I be able to live there, be able to vote for my leader, be elected in parliament or as the leader of the 'North' even if I am Greek, be able to have a voice for the future of my canton and therefore my country.

If not then there is no democracy and if not there is no self determination.

If we break down the Cyprus problem to the essensial needs of the Cypriots:
-to live in an island that provides people with basic survival needs
-Have security both inter-communal and external (against foreign countries)
-All communities to be able to maintain their identity and culture
-Have freedoms, of movement, speech, freedom to determine the future of the country according to the desires of the people.
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repulsewarrior

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 3:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

stavaritz, I wrote a response sometime ago, but it is not here so I will try again.

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All peoples seek freedom in their association, expression, and movement. A solution in Cyprus requires the reform of its Constitution to conform. And it has been expressed that both sides in this conflict seek a Bi-Zonal Bi-Communal Federation.

In my mind Bi-Zonal does not mean two parts, as Bi-Communal is not two communities apart.

Therefore, I have provided for the geographic representation of this desire as the two existing parts with spots on both. Bi-Zonal.

As a Cypriot, each citizen votes for the best representative thricely: one turcophone and one grecophone, from two slates, by Party, for the Upper House, where the government is led; and one independant representative not having Party support, for the Lower House where there is sober thought, in a Bi-Cameral Legislature.

and

As a Turkish Cypriot, or as a Greek Cypriot, one would vote for your representative in one of two legislatures, depending on where you live, a majority respectively; if you live in "that" part or in one of its spots; otherwise you are voting as a minority, but in this case neither is refused their voting rights, and all voters, as dwellers, are treated equally.

Bi-Communal

This is my idea in a nutshell.

Your comments, thank-you.


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