THE FALL OF THE GOVERNMENT IN THE NORTH

[Birkibrisli]

I looked hard to find a thread dealing with this topic without success.
Something "smelly" seems to be happening in the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus.
4 MPs (3 from the UBP and 1 from DP) have resigned hence bringing down the CTP-DP government.The CTP is set to form a new government with the backing of these breakaway MPs.The aim seems to be to remove Serdar Denktash from power.UBP are screaming that this is a coup organised by Ankara and executed with the help of the Turkish Cypriot Muftu (Head of Religious Affairs),who has allegedly promised up to 600,000 US Dollars to each resigned MP!

Can anyone shed any light on this?What is going on?

[repulsewarrior]

I have never found an adequate explaination for Rauf's act of goodness by opening the border.

I think that such a legacy will go very far. This is an indication that there is a desire for some change unlike the status quo... and there lies the problem. Turkey gains nothing from any change that a son with the same ambition would desire.

[Birkibrisli]

These events have finally made it big time in Turkish press.
In today's Hurriyet Online no less than 4 major columnists tackled the subject.The consensus seems to be that the AKP government in Ankara is trying to establish a new party in the North along the AKP lines.This new party,to be called Freedom and Reform Party(Ozgurluk ve Reforum partisi), will allegedly be under the influence of religious clerics and, be close to and represent, mainly the Turkish settlers.Two of the resigned MPs are apparently of Turkish settler origin.

Some commentators are alluding to a plan to make another 60,000 Turkish settlers Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus citizens before the next election,hence guaranteeing electoral success to the new party.

Others are suggesting that Turkey is ready to make major concessions on Cyprus before the year's end for EU reasons.And they didn't want messy opposition from the Denktash clan.Hence the coup.
Still others are talking about Tayyip Erdogan trying to keep Turkey on the EU path at all costs to avoid a coup d'etat by the military led by the hawke,Buyukanit...

Is this the end of what little power Turkish Cypriots have over their own political lives in Cyprus?Is Turkey finally giving up the pretence that the Turkish Cypriots are the master of their own fates? Will the politics in the North be totally dominated by the settlers in the near future?

These are some of the thoughts and fears of political commentators from Turkey and the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus. What do you think???

[depurple]

Who cares!
Is there any government North or South who really cares about the people and the people only?
IF so why don't they do something to prove it:
Maybe they like this division so no one investigates their pockets and assets:
Who knows?
When does a politician lie?
When he opens his mouth!
cheers

[Birkibrisli]

Well,I for one care,mate.
I have a feeling something is afoot.These events are pregnant to important moves in the Cypro.I am particularly keen to hear from people who live in Cyprus.But nobody seems to be biting...

[cypezokyli]

well, from what we get in the news up to now a "fall" is not really something that will happen. soyer will continue to have a majority.

unless the right wink parties, will manage to push the goverment for elections.

besides , from what we i understood, Turkish Cypriots are about to have for the first time in their history an islamic party. i really do not know how far they will reward such a party. but to be honest, the distance the Turkish Cypriots had from religion, is sth that i was always really proud of. it would be interesting (and personally i would say sad) if there is such a change in the Turkish Cypriot society.

[repulsewarrior]

It is interesting, statistically, Turkish Cypriots, only 5% visit a mosque for religious reasons, while in the south Greek Cypriots, by half visit regularly their churches, and that almost 90% will share in a church service at least once a year.

Turkey, I believe is preparing for an evenly split vote. The demographics must indicate this opportunity,and it serves Turkey's purpose. In this State's mind Cyprus has always belonged to them, with Great Britain a troublesome tenant, the Republic of Cyprus not existing.

Denktash, like his father is a wiley survivor, but the government which they founded has matured to the point where their influence is not needed, in the interlocutor's aims.

It is very opportune if somehow the pressure on both sides require them to act in our interest, at odds with the interlocutors, prepared to seek each others favour, as Cypriots for Cyprus, ultimately to continue their own legacy.

[MicAtCyp]

I have no opinion on this matter only just 2 questions a)why they did not take any MPs from Eroglu? b) Does Erdogan hope to be in power in Turkey for ever, so his own party branch be necessary in Cyprus?
Imo if he makes concessions on Cyprus regarding the EU protocol he will fall, if he does not make concessions he will also fall.

[Birkibrisli]

[MicAtCyp]

Thanks Birkibrisli. I admit my ignorance on this matter. Could you please give us your thoughts on Erdogans future in relation to Turkeys EU road?
I guess I have to explain my own thoughts first relevant to that. Well I think if he opens the ports for Republic of Cyprus then the militants/deep state/ nationalists in Turkey will throw him down. If he doesnt then Turkeys EU road closes, so the militants/deep state/ nationalists in Turkey would not have to bear such an "islamist" leader anymore.Furthermore the pro European Turks will also be against him. So imo he is doomed either way. Am I missing something?

I have another question: Are those 4 MPs "islamists". I mean if they are then this might explain their formation of Erdogans party branch, however if they are not or they are just atheists as most Turkish Cypriots are, then how are they going to promote the "islamist ideals" as an extension of Erdogans party?

Needless to say I consider the scenario of bringing 60,000 settlers to secure the success of the new party a valid possibility, albeit a scaring one that as you said would diminish the say of Turkish Cypriots to "yok denecek kadar az / negligible" -(he,he,he) levels. However could you please explain how that would be acheived given the new measures for controlling who stays there? Are those measures actually a "smoke curtain"?

PS. Any input/ and or comments regarding this issue from other Turkish Cypriot members of the forum?

[Birkibrisli]

Thank you for your post,Mic...
I think you are right when you say Erdogan cannot stay in power if the EU road is closed.The army would simply step in and tell him to take his hat (or his Fez ) and go home.The other scenario is not as clear.If he opens the ports etc he will anger the nationalists/deep state etc but without the army they cannot really touch him as long as he has the kind of majority he has in parliament. So my guess if he will try everything to keep the EU road open,including giving concessions on Cyprus.And I think this is why he instigated the coup in Cyprus to get Denktash the son out of the way.Talat will not scream a loudly as he depends totally on Erdogan who put him there.

Now out of the 4 MPs two are of settler origin,they are mainland Turks.
This is important.Their leader AVCI is a Turkish Cypriot but look at what he said to justify his resignations: "The Denktash's rule has resulted in Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus citizens losing their Turkishness and their religious beliefs!!!"
Mic,buna cocuklar bile guler...Bu adamin akli "yok denecek kadar az"( )
So he is coming to help increase the Turkishness(as if that is possible) and the religious values of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus citizens.

And finally,Mic,those 60,000 settlers are already there,awaiting citizenship.
They now satisfy the requirements for citizenship.Considering that they already made upto 80,000 settlers citizens before the last election,you can imagine what this would do to the political will of the real Turkish Cypriots...

[erolz]

[cypezokyli]

[cypezokyli]

mic wrote:

[Alexios]

Overall it's strange how the CTP and AKEL, both traditionally left wing parties APPEAR now to be protectors of conservative values, each being dependent on Turkey and TPap respectively....