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Solveit
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Xenos 2Fan
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| Yeah but don't you think this will be appealed to death? |
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Solveit
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I've no doubt it will, but I still feel an appeal will lose.
It will be interesting to see what basis the case was won on.
The Republic of Cyprus government ought to get their finger out now, and show some desire to solve this problem. As you say, appeals will follow, but I think this is now the green light for buyers. A lot of people have been holding back, but may decide to buy now which means even more Greek Cypriot land will go.
I'll wait for the barrage!! |
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Londoner
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| The need for a political solution has always and will always be the only method to resolve disputes over land on both sides of the divide. Government backing for such legal remedies, by both sides, have always been futile and are mainly just an attempt at propoganda via legal judgements. This High Court judgement is [b]a propoganda disaster [/b]for the Republic and will only lead to more sales in the North and an even bigger mess to try and resolve politically. |
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Kifeas
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The British court had only declared itself incompetent or unqualified to enforce the ruling of the Republic of Cyprus court against the Orams, even though in the same ruling it fully adopts the opinion that the building by Orams in Apostolides land is indeed an illegal act. This decision was based on protocol 10 of the Cyprus treaty of accession in the EU, which says that the EU aqui is temporarily suspended in the north occupied areas of the Republic of Cyprus due to the de facto (not de jure) inability of the Republic of Cyprus to exercise control over it. This is a provisional first degree decision, upon which an appeal was already been filed today, only to be decided in a few months at a higher level in the UK.
Those celebrating are basically doing so only for the fact that the (first degree) court declared itself unqualified to enforce the punishment of what -not just the Republic of Cyprus court, but also the British high court found itself to be an illegality (theft,) in the very same ruling. In other words, they are not celebrating their vindication in a natural or in a moral sense, but they instead celebrate their "achievement" to (temporarily) get away with their illegalities (thefts!) This is what they basically do, and you know what kind of persons it makes them to be, i.e. ...clowns or monkeys! |
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brother
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The British court had only declared itself incompetent or unqualified to enforce the ruling of the Republic of Cyprus court against the Orams, even though in the same ruling it fully adopts the opinion that the building by Orams in Apostolides land is indeed an illegal act. This decision was based on protocol 10 of the Cyprus treaty of accession in the EU, which says that the EU aqui is temporarily suspended in the north occupied areas of the Republic of Cyprus due to the de facto (not de jure) inability of the Republic of Cyprus to exercise control over it. This is a provisional first degree decision, upon which an appeal was already been filed today, only to be decided in a few months at a higher level in the UK.
Those celebrating are basically doing so only for the fact that the (first degree) court declared itself unqualified to enforce the punishment of what -not just the Republic of Cyprus court, but also the British high court found itself to be an illegality (theft,) in the very same ruling. In other words, they are not celebrating their vindication in a natural or in a moral sense, but they instead celebrate their "achievement" to (temporarily) get away with their illegalities (thefts!) This is what they basically do, and you know what kind of persons it makes them to be, i.e. ...clowns or monkeys! |
I am sure they are celebrating in the south aswell as i went to Larnaca and nearly all Turkish Cypriot land has been built on and is not pre-fabricated but proper massive apartment blocks and some where in mid build and need i mention that the entire beach on makenzie has a GREEK flag every 20 yards and not one Republic of Cyprus flag to be seen, kifeas the game is up, you might want to play deaf and dumb but i saw the realities with my own eyes, the Greek Cypriot goverment in the south has managed to get away with the biggest political lies in the history of cyprus with the "we don't build on Turkish Cypriot land and it is protected" line is just a load of lies. |
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Kifeas
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The British court had only declared itself incompetent or unqualified to enforce the ruling of the Republic of Cyprus court against the Orams, even though in the same ruling it fully adopts the opinion that the building by Orams in Apostolides land is indeed an illegal act. This decision was based on protocol 10 of the Cyprus treaty of accession in the EU, which says that the EU aqui is temporarily suspended in the north occupied areas of the Republic of Cyprus due to the de facto (not de jure) inability of the Republic of Cyprus to exercise control over it. This is a provisional first degree decision, upon which an appeal was already been filed today, only to be decided in a few months at a higher level in the UK.
Those celebrating are basically doing so only for the fact that the (first degree) court declared itself unqualified to enforce the punishment of what -not just the Republic of Cyprus court, but also the British high court found itself to be an illegality (theft,) in the very same ruling. In other words, they are not celebrating their vindication in a natural or in a moral sense, but they instead celebrate their "achievement" to (temporarily) get away with their illegalities (thefts!) This is what they basically do, and you know what kind of persons it makes them to be, i.e. ...clowns or monkeys! |
I am sure they are celebrating in the south aswell as i went to Larnaca and nearly all Turkish Cypriot land has been built on and is not pre-fabricated but proper massive apartment blocks and some where in mid build and need i mention that the entire beach on makenzie has a GREEK flan every 20 yards and not one Republic of Cyprus flag to be seen, kifeas the game is up, you might want to play deaf and dumb but i saw the realities with my own eyes, the Greek Cypriot goverment in the south has managed to get away with the biggest political lies in the history of cyprus with the "we don't build on Turkish Cypriot land and it is protected" line is just a load of lies. |
Anyone that finds his land to have been stolen is free to go to any suitable court he /she chooses. The doors of the Republic of Cyprus and the ECHR courts are wide open for any Turkish Cypriot to seek justice, like some have already done so. If your land has been usurped, you are free to go to the court and get justice! If your land in the south is not usurped, then shut up because you are just doing cheap propaganda! If your land is indeed usurped, but you still choose not to go the courts, again shut up because again you are doing cheap propaganda!
I have no more time to waste with nonsense ranting like the above of yours! |
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brother
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The British court had only declared itself incompetent or unqualified to enforce the ruling of the Republic of Cyprus court against the Orams, even though in the same ruling it fully adopts the opinion that the building by Orams in Apostolides land is indeed an illegal act. This decision was based on protocol 10 of the Cyprus treaty of accession in the EU, which says that the EU aqui is temporarily suspended in the north occupied areas of the Republic of Cyprus due to the de facto (not de jure) inability of the Republic of Cyprus to exercise control over it. This is a provisional first degree decision, upon which an appeal was already been filed today, only to be decided in a few months at a higher level in the UK.
Those celebrating are basically doing so only for the fact that the (first degree) court declared itself unqualified to enforce the punishment of what -not just the Republic of Cyprus court, but also the British high court found itself to be an illegality (theft,) in the very same ruling. In other words, they are not celebrating their vindication in a natural or in a moral sense, but they instead celebrate their "achievement" to (temporarily) get away with their illegalities (thefts!) This is what they basically do, and you know what kind of persons it makes them to be, i.e. ...clowns or monkeys! |
I am sure they are celebrating in the south aswell as i went to Larnaca and nearly all Turkish Cypriot land has been built on and is not pre-fabricated but proper massive apartment blocks and some where in mid build and need i mention that the entire beach on makenzie has a GREEK flan every 20 yards and not one Republic of Cyprus flag to be seen, kifeas the game is up, you might want to play deaf and dumb but i saw the realities with my own eyes, the Greek Cypriot goverment in the south has managed to get away with the biggest political lies in the history of cyprus with the "we don't build on Turkish Cypriot land and it is protected" line is just a load of lies. |
Anyone that finds his land to have been stolen is free to go to any suitable court he /she chooses. The doors of the Republic of Cyprus and the ECHR courts are wide open for any Turkish Cypriot to seek justice, like some have already done so. If your land has been usurped, you are free to go to the court and get justice! If your land in the south is not usurped, then shut up because you are just doing cheap propaganda! If your land is indeed usurped, but you still choose not to go the courts, again shut up because again you are doing cheap propaganda!
I have no more time to waste with nonsense ranting like the above of yours! |
The kifeas answer to an issue he cannot get the moral or legal high ground on is to tell people to shut up.
Well i think the only one that is going to shut up soon enough will be you and like the many we will be sueing the Republic of Cyprus for all lands including rent for 32 years of usuage after 1974 and no access from 1963-1974, and i bet the economical collapse of the Greek Cypriot run Republic of Cyprus will happen eventually as your criminal goverment and your likes are the only ones peddling propoganda, i reall y don't know how you can keep a straight face when you say the Turkish Cypriot lands etc is protected when you clearly know that is utter BS.
I also notice your lack of comments about the GREEK flags every 20 yards on the makenzie beach and not even one Republic of Cyprus flag???
I thought the Republic of Cyprus reppresented all the people??? But from what i see they only represent the GREEKS.
The game is up kifeas i have seen with my own eyes the deception you have been peddling with all your propoganda rubbish and it stops right now. |
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erolz
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Is it not the case Kifeas that in order to seek justice in the Souths courts Brother would first be required to have lived in the south for 6 months?
Also why in McDonalds in the south is there no 'Cypriot Burger' or 'Cypriot Chicken' when there is a 'Greek Burger' and 'Greek Chicken' ?  |
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Gooligan
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erolz
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As the link abpove requires that you register as a member I have also uplaoded the judgement to here - which should be available to all without any requirments for registration.
Thanks to gooligan for providing the orginal link and to the posters that provided the original document on the MSN group.
www.visionmatters.co.uk/cyprus/oramsjudgment.doc |
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repulsewarrior
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The British court had only declared itself incompetent or unqualified to enforce the ruling of the Republic of Cyprus court against the Orams, even though in the same ruling it fully adopts the opinion that the building by Orams in Apostolides land is indeed an illegal act. This decision was based on protocol 10 of the Cyprus treaty of accession in the EU, which says that the EU aqui is temporarily suspended in the north occupied areas of the Republic of Cyprus due to the de facto (not de jure) inability of the Republic of Cyprus to exercise control over it. This is a provisional first degree decision, upon which an appeal was already been filed today, only to be decided in a few months at a higher level in the UK.
Those celebrating are basically doing so only for the fact that the (first degree) court declared itself unqualified to enforce the punishment of what -not just the Republic of Cyprus court, but also the British high court found itself to be an illegality (theft,) in the very same ruling. In other words, they are not celebrating their vindication in a natural or in a moral sense, but they instead celebrate their "achievement" to (temporarily) get away with their illegalities (thefts!) [i]This is what they basically do, and you know what kind of persons it makes them to be, i.e. ...clowns or monkeys![i] |
Bravo, Mr.K, excellent reportage, (except for the last sentance) and what the readers need, to stay the course, not to be so quick with their judgements.
As a moral issue the Orams simply ignore that their act erodes the principals of the Rule of Law, on which their lifestyle is founded upon....(but in the long run we are all dead).
As a legal issue, it is setting far reaching affects: for the displaced who wish to return, as well as any Cypriot who would want to settle their affairs, the legal battles being so costly, and complex. |
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repulsewarrior
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The British court had only declared itself incompetent or unqualified to enforce the ruling of the Republic of Cyprus court against the Orams, even though in the same ruling it fully adopts the opinion that the building by Orams in Apostolides land is indeed an illegal act. This decision was based on protocol 10 of the Cyprus treaty of accession in the EU, which says that the EU aqui is temporarily suspended in the north occupied areas of the Republic of Cyprus due to the de facto (not de jure) inability of the Republic of Cyprus to exercise control over it. This is a provisional first degree decision, upon which an appeal was already been filed today, only to be decided in a few months at a higher level in the UK.
Those celebrating are basically doing so only for the fact that the (first degree) court declared itself unqualified to enforce the punishment of what -not just the Republic of Cyprus court, but also the British high court found itself to be an illegality (theft,) in the very same ruling. In other words, they are not celebrating their vindication in a natural or in a moral sense, but they instead celebrate their "achievement" to (temporarily) get away with their illegalities (thefts!) This is what they basically do, and you know what kind of persons it makes them to be, i.e. ...clowns or monkeys! |
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macketterry
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The British court had only declared itself incompetent or unqualified to enforce the ruling of the Republic of Cyprus court against the Orams, even though in the same ruling it fully adopts the opinion that the building by Orams in Apostolides land is indeed an illegal act. This decision was based on protocol 10 of the Cyprus treaty of accession in the EU, which says that the EU aqui is temporarily suspended in the north occupied areas of the Republic of Cyprus due to the de facto (not de jure) inability of the Republic of Cyprus to exercise control over it. This is a provisional first degree decision, upon which an appeal was already been filed today, only to be decided in a few months at a higher level in the UK.
Those celebrating are basically doing so only for the fact that the (first degree) court declared itself unqualified to enforce the punishment of what -not just the Republic of Cyprus court, but also the British high court found itself to be an illegality (theft,) in the very same ruling. In other words, they are not celebrating their vindication in a natural or in a moral sense, but they instead celebrate their "achievement" to (temporarily) get away with their illegalities (thefts!) This is what they basically do, and you know what kind of persons it makes them to be, i.e. ...clowns or monkeys! |
I am sure they are celebrating in the south aswell as i went to Larnaca and nearly all Turkish Cypriot land has been built on and is not pre-fabricated but proper massive apartment blocks and some where in mid build and need i mention that the entire beach on makenzie has a GREEK flan every 20 yards and not one Republic of Cyprus flag to be seen, kifeas the game is up, you might want to play deaf and dumb but i saw the realities with my own eyes, the Greek Cypriot goverment in the south has managed to get away with the biggest political lies in the history of cyprus with the "we don't build on Turkish Cypriot land and it is protected" line is just a load of lies. |
Anyone that finds his land to have been stolen is free to go to any suitable court he /she chooses. The doors of the Republic of Cyprus and the ECHR courts are wide open for any Turkish Cypriot to seek justice, like some have already done so. If your land has been usurped, you are free to go to the court and get justice! If your land in the south is not usurped, then shut up because you are just doing cheap propaganda! If your land is indeed usurped, but you still choose not to go the courts, again shut up because again you are doing cheap propaganda!
I have no more time to waste with nonsense ranting like the above of yours! |
Nice to see you finally admitted you were wrong... |
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erolz
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| Personally I recommend that people read the ruling as provided for themselves before relying on 3rd part unqualifed 'summaries' of it. |
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