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macketterry
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Are there now any Greek Cypriots left out there who are prepared to go down any more legal cul-de-sacs?
In the absence of any sensible political leadership in the south I would advise Greek Cypriot's to start applying to the property commission in the north. Several individuals have done so in confidence and have received sums that they are happy with. What are you waiting for? |
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Dhavlos
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Why do people think this judgement means Greek Cypriots cant get their property back?
all the judgement means(from what i understand) is that because the north is not under Republic of Cyprus control (ie, they are not governing the area because it is occupied - de jure?) any judges decision cannot be inforced, and therfore cannot be inforced in any other EU counrty. It has nothing to do with the legality of owning the property as such, as the Republic of Cyprus has already deemed it illegal, its just that it cant do anything about it...until a soution.
I can see more people buying property in the north now, to find out when a solution occurs, that infact they have no legal standing to keep the property. |
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Viewpoint
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| Thats the key right there many people believe there will never be a solution and we have proved them right for 32 years. |
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Dhavlos
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as far as i can see, the decision jsut leaves us exactly where we were before the orams came about.
However, ore people are going to be upset when a solution comes becuase they will loose the properties.(although, like you said, we have to have a solution first!) |
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brother
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| Dhavlos wrote: |
as far as i can see, the decision jsut leaves us exactly where we were before the orams came about.
However, ore people are going to be upset when a solution comes becuase they will loose the properties.(although, like you said, we have to have a solution first!) |
People will never lose their properties as in any solution to the cyprus problem they will find remedies as such as compensation for the property issue, what many fail to understand is that the majority of Turkish Cypriot and Greek Cypriot will never go back to their lands and will have to accept monetary compensation as 32 years has ensured this with the help of the two goverments on the island. |
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erolz
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Would this case have been decided differently is Apostolides sought seizure of assets in any other EU country - Say France or Germany?
What would the position be if someone successfully obtains orders for the seizure of assets in another EU country apart from the UK?
Watch this space. |
I guess the implication is here that the UK courts are actually corrupt and issues decision at the behest of the current political leadership. I must say I do not find these 'accusations' re british justice, implied or outright stated' a surprise. I in fact predicted this would happen if the appeal was upheld. Of course it goes without saying that the Republic of Cyprus courts are nothing but totaly indpedent and just and unbiased on such an issue - the mere thought of question their impartiality in such case would be nothing but a insult against the Greek Cypriot legal system and the Greek Cypriot people - but to say it about the British courts is not just acceptable but praticaly required.
As I understand it the plaintiffs are using EU aquis to have the judgement enforced in the UK courts, yet the judgement is re property in an area where the EU itself has specificaly declared that the EU aquis is not in force. The plantifs argue that the suspension of the EU aquis in the north is there purely to protect the Republic of Cyprus from being in breach of EU law in those areast hat it does not have control over and thus should not be a reason to stop this judgment being transfered to the UK courts for enforcment. The judge has said this is not what protocol 10 says and it is not his job to decide if such was the orginal intent or should be the way it is interpreted, and such a decision is for the appeal courts or higher EU courts.
The judgement was a legal one. The ruling clearly lays out why the judge came to the decision he did and what areas he feels are suitable for review through appeal by higher courts in the UK and the EU. The idea that it was 'staged' either to satisfy the UK's politcal executive or spare Cherie Blair is just nonsense - but undoubdelty the kind of nonsense that many in the south will lap up with relish (much as they lapped up the allegations of mass US bribing of 'yes to annan' voters).
Once this is finally settled through the appeals it will become precedent in all of the EU - that includes Germany or France. |
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erolz
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Also why in McDonalds in the south is there no 'Cypriot Burger' or 'Cypriot Chicken' when there is a 'Greek Burger' and 'Greek Chicken' ?  |
Because Cyprus is provincial and calling it Greek Burger gives it an air of sophistication ( if a McD burger or someone that eats it on a regular basis can be considered sophisticated ). They might have gone with Chicken New York, but Greece is closer to home and still serves the same purpose. |
This is dangerously off topic. However In Turkey the McD's there have a Turk Burger. In Greece they have a Greek Burger. In the UK they have occasional 'specials' like the 'Italian Burger' but these are not permanent menu items like the Turk burger in Turkey or the Greek Burger in Greece (which are actualy the same item with different names in each country). You think then that the Republic of Cyprus McD's have a permanent 'Greek Burger' because Cyprus is provisional. I personaly am off the view that the kings of marketing and understading their target markets, McD's know the reality that in the Republic of Cyprus the majority of people there consider themselves Greek before Cypriot and thus they pander to this deep seated 'Greekness' by offering a Greek Burger and not a Cypriot Burger. Cypriots should actually be offended that McD's consider cypriots and the Cypriot nation so 'provisional' that it does not warrant its own name on a burger, but actually I doubt anyone (apart from a tiny minority in the south) even notices the absense of a 'cypriot burger' at all. Thats just my personal opinion. |
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halil
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halil
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| Hey, it seems that a lot of you are unaware of the Cyprus issue… |
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Crash Test Dummy
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Donald Keogh
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I wouldn't let this set back worry Apostoslis:
Crikey Miss Piggy! |
Really DP??
Not even if Mr Apostolides has to pay 75% of the £867k legal fees to the Orams??
And where exactly are the Fawklins? |
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halil
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Hey, it seems that a lot of you are unaware of the Cyprus issue…
Wasn’t it the Greek Cypriotes who actually voted NO in the referendum, and now don’t have the guts to come back to the negotiating table?
If they really didn’t want such problems arousing shouldn’t they of at least tried to come to an agreement??!!
YES the Orams kicked ass but what did the Greeks expect, an easy root to making a hell of a lot of cash!!!
This doesn’t mean they get to keep the land it only states that until the Cyprus issue is solved no one is getting anything back!!!
Which in my point of view shall push the South to maybe start thinking of a settlement which is FAIR to both sides? |
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cypezokyli
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hi halil, and welcome to the forum.
if you are following the current negotiation attempts, it is more than clear that the blame cannot be layd on one of the two sides alone. the current stalemate cannot be only blamed on tpap alone. actually talat prooves to be as bad.
as for the orams "kicking ass" , i would only say that when there is no more chance of appeal in any british or european court. |
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halil
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There one point in which I would like someone to clarify, if it’s a crime for the Orams to purchase property here in the North, isn’t it a crime for a British or any other nations citizen to purchase property on the South which use to belong to a Turk?
I believe Larnaka airport is built on Turkish land, if this is the case how comes no one is causing a big fuss about it? |
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cypezokyli
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are you familiar, with any Turkish Cypriot land being sold to a foreigner in the south ?
or are claiming that the larnaka airport is owened by a british ? |
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