The Orams have won their case

bg_turk · Deputy Joined: 08 Oct 2005 Posts: 1317 Location: Bulgaria

Great news ... lets hope the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus government will not be too exhilerated, and will continue to seek remedies to unfairly dispaced persons and maintain the moral high ground.

Mete · Deputy Joined: 16 Aug 2005 Posts: 1150 Location: Boston

100%cypriot · Ministerial Joined: 27 Jun 2006 Posts: 2181

depurple · Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 3:41 am Post subject:

Hey the British are the biggest instigators of theft in the world:
Look at Australia, Gibraltar, Fawklins and look at the Elgin Marbles so you see at first they would support other crooks in the world:
BUT lets see what the appeal will bring:
I wouldn't let this set back worry Apostoslis:
He and every other honest person knows that the land does legally belong to him:
Also who knows what the judge has been offered and if the judge and others haven't got there own properties on illegal land in Cyprus:
AFTER 9/11 everything is possible:
Crikey Miss Piggy!

s300 · Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 8:16 am Post subject:

Would this case have been decided differently is Apostolides sought seizure of assets in any other EU country - Say France or Germany?

What would the position be if someone successfully obtains orders for the seizure of assets in another EU country apart from the UK?

Watch this space.

Donald Keogh · Villager Joined: 23 Sep 2005 Posts: 73 Location: Ireland

s300 · Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 9:32 am Post subject:

Cherie deserves a Turkey slap for that effort (I'm not volunteering!!!!)

Dream_Merchant · Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 10:27 am Post subject:

depurple · Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 10:34 am Post subject:

Don! Don! Don!
I knew you would come out of the woodwork on this!
I wonder how many of your friends and yourself have benefited from the misfortunes of the Cypriots who where forced by gunpoint from their legal land????????? Only you know this Don!

What also amazes me with you Don is that you could be Irish BUT then again you might be an Englishman who lives as an Irishman:
Most of the Irish people I know are always sympathetic to the people who lost properties in Cyprus NOT on the side of criminals and thieves:
BUT you are an exception and I know why mate!

Anyway Apostolis will apeal just wait and see:
Oh yes the 750,000 pounds (A drop in the ocean):
Believe me there are plenty of rich people (Including Meletis himself) who defend something that they legally own! Wouldnt you? Thats if you legally own it NOT say you own it!

I mean how much money did Turkey give Cherie? Plus extras!

Falklands you say?
They legally belong to Argentina but maybe you have bought cheap STOLEN property there as well: Who knows Don why a dog protect the master who feeds him?

Also Don lets wait and see!

You can fool some of the people some of the time BUT not all the people ALL the time:
That applies to people who have bought stolen land in Cyprus as well as Turkey with its EU dreams!
And that is what they will be my friend only a dream!
BUT if I was you Don I wouldnt be keen to open the bottle of Champas yet my friend, because the cork might go somewhere where the sun dosent shine! And I am not talking about Ireland!
Crikeys Mates!

Viewpoint · Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 10:49 am Post subject:

purple crikey mate even you haven't got the balls to admit you lost this round but the match is not over. This is difficult to stomach for many Greek Cypriot's as it will mean that in order to get their land back they will have to really negotiate for a solution.... Wink

Alexios · Mukhtar/is Joined: 20 Oct 2005 Posts: 981

Some years ago, my late father got into a huge argument with the village priest (papa) over some matter. He hated priests!!! In the heat of the moment and in order to punish the "shitbeard" as he called the poor papa, he filed a lawsuit against the village council to evict the dead from the village cemetary and demolish the little church within it!!! Rolling Eyes

,claiming that the land over which the cemetary and church were built belonged to him!!!! Confused

We all then found out, that his father, donkeys years ago, alloted the specific plot to the village to build the church and cemetary, but as usual those days he never actually transferred the property in the name of the village, the church or whoever.The land was subsequently inherited by my father, together with the church,graves, crosses and the dead!!!! Rolling Eyes

Legally, my father had a huge point/advantage in his favour as the rightful owner of the land.But then, other matters came into consideration, including that the dead could not be held responsible for anything and could not be evicted so to speak Evil or Very Mad

Anyhow, at some point, the old man cooled down and withdrew the lawsuit,following some intelligent intervention by the district sub-prefect as well...!!
The above may sound comical and the particular circumstances completely different from those of the Orams's case, however, what i want to highlight is that the law itself cannot solve hugely complicated property matters especially after the lapse of considerable time. There is no better instance to repeat a well known fact. That time works against those who wish to work towards a just and long lasting solution of the Cyprus problem and in favour of those who struggle for partition.The sooner we realize this the better....

PS: For the story, Alexios senior, still did not transfer the land in the name of the church and dint speak to the papa until his death..I some times wonder if i am the milkman's son.... Rolling Eyes

s300 · Posted: Thu Sep 07, 2006 11:53 am Post subject:

Bananiot · Deputy Joined: 13 Aug 2005 Posts: 1244 Location: Nicosia

Good story and a wise conclusion, Alexios. We have invested a lot of hope (and money it seems) in courts that may solve aspects of our problem, such as the property issue. We even encouraged people to appeal to various courts. Those that warned that such actions may be detrimental to the cause of Cyprus were easily branded as traitor (as usual).

This is Talat´s reaction to the court decision:

“Although this decision is subject to appeal, it is a new indication of the fact that the property issue, which is closely linked to the Cyprus issue, cannot be solved by individual efforts independent of the principles of the Cyprus issue or by forcing legal proceeding. Instead of encouraging its citizens to employ such methods, the Greek Cypriot side should focus on efforts to reach an urgent, just and comprehensive settlement to the Cyprus issue and support the efforts of the Turkish Cypriot side to that end”.

These are wise words and they point towards the only way forward.

100%cypriot · Ministerial Joined: 27 Jun 2006 Posts: 2181

Wise words but will anyone take any notice ?

100%cypriot · Ministerial Joined: 27 Jun 2006 Posts: 2181

Interesting reaction by the Greek Cypriot Gov.

http://lgr.co.uk/news/cyprus/2487/cyprus-orams/

I say if the G/c Gov wants to uphold international law in another country then why don't they hand over the 2 Greek Cypriots to the Uk for VAT fraud that has cost this country Millions.

As usual one law for one and another for the other