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100%cypriot
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There is a Drug problem in the south and some of it comes from the north but i am not sure that it all comes from the north. It can allways be convenient to blame other's for your demise .
There are no EU border control's because the north has been blocked from joining the EU.
No law , No guidelines, no nothing, is incorrect my friend, there are all the thing's you mentioned, but you class them as not being relevant because the south does not have control over those laws etc etc etc.
Who is the Sheriff ? i suppose you mean TPAP and his Gov !
Don't you mean the Wild Wild south where the corruption is just as rife as the north and they also make up the Laws as they go along. |
I am glad that got a reaction out of you, I was just hoping for that. Now we can talk about real issues and not be bothered about being called moron. My post was a direct answer to the rubbish I read earlier regarding cypriot taxi drivers and what not. They may not be the most educated people but they are often far kinder than meets the eye.
Yes, not ALL the drug problem comes from the north, however a significant amount of it does, and not just drugs but just about anything else. And it is not all the doing of T/Cs. On the contrary, many G/Cs take the vague de jure situation there to do their own share of trading, and in this faction fall several prominent members of the G/C community. Whether it has to do with money laundering, trading in stolen antiquities, prostitution .. a lot of bad 'trade' happens between both communities. And this is really because there is no rule or law which facilitates a legal framework where such acts can be monitored and trade established.
You can blame the Republic of Cyprus administration and we can blame the de facto occupation.. but no matter why, things are as is and things will continue to be so unless/until a comprehensive solution is found to the Cyprus problem. Often people only consider the land issue as being the sole factor of importance in the Cyprus problem. Indeed, it is important but there are also other equally important issues which need to be addressed if a comprehensive solution is to be found.
The T/C community is as much part of the EU as is the G/C community or as a matter of fact, any citizen of the Republic of Cyprus. What is NOT a member of the EU is the so called TRNCy, as it fails in the first instance of being a non-state. You can call it anything you like in a self-styled manner, but for anyone else interested such an entity is illegal and void. |
Dream i am allways willing to reply to people who write with common sense and i learn from other's everyday just like you my friend but i do not need anyone to wind me up to reply, all you have to do is ask, Treat those how you wan't to be treated.
Back to the Point of the post now. yes you have made very important points and i agree that they have to be adressed by both sides ! The co-operation is not there because of the continuing aggresive stance of both leaderships and i for one who is a father of children actually am refraining from even going on holiday to the motherland because no matter which side i go to the problem is just the same and i have allways described our country as a perfect place to the kid's but you can't even let them out of your sight at the moment.
In reality the politicians have no real intent on uniting , every time they agree on something another obstacle is put in the way of each other |
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Dream_Merchant
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| In reality the politicians have no real intent on uniting , every time they agree on something another obstacle is put in the way of each other |
I don't think so. I think if anyone is to gain something from unification in the short run, it will be the politicians. Do you know how much money and assets are going to change hands in the case of unification? The huge amounts of EU, UN and foreign aid.. the redistribution of social securities, providence funds, government contracts.. billions of euros. And in times of such grand scale money moving, the politicians find ways to profit from it on the cost of the common people.
No, I think the politicians, at least the clever ones that have something to gain, are far more eager to unite our island than the average man.
However, as you said every time they agree on something another obstacle is put forward. And actually this is good, why? Because we need to be pragmatic and realistic. The Cyprus problem will not be solved on the grounds of mere good will. There are huge logistic, administrational, political, social ( the list goes on ) problems that need to be addressed. And if too many, even small, issues are not addressed than it can cause tensions which can lead to an escalation of strife.
In essence, this was the main reason, why I myself rejected the Annan plan. Because among many things, it failed to address these issues properly and was merely a mishmash of concepts most of them based on 'mutual good-will'. Of course, good will needs to be there.. no partnership can be based on mistrust.. however even the most loving couple will soon break apart if there is no common understanding between them as their love making will only take them so far. The politicans job is to reflect this common understanding to the people by addressing issues which are of their concern. And this takes time, especially when we deal with two different ethnicities that have been separated for a considerable amount of time and indeed have solid reasons of not trusting each other. |
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100%cypriot
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| In reality the politicians have no real intent on uniting , every time they agree on something another obstacle is put in the way of each other |
I don't think so. I think if anyone is to gain something from unification in the short run, it will be the politicians. Do you know how much money and assets are going to change hands in the case of unification? The huge amounts of EU, UN and foreign aid.. the redistribution of social securities, providence funds, government contracts.. billions of euros. And in times of such grand scale money moving, the politicians find ways to profit from it on the cost of the common people.
No, I think the politicians, at least the clever ones that have something to gain, are far more eager to unite our island than the average man.
However, as you said every time they agree on something another obstacle is put forward. And actually this is good, why? Because we need to be pragmatic and realistic. The Cyprus problem will not be solved on the grounds of mere good will. There are huge logistic, administrational, political, social ( the list goes on ) problems that need to be addressed. And if too many, even small, issues are not addressed than it can cause tensions which can lead to an escalation of strife.
In essence, this was the main reason, why I myself rejected the Annan plan. Because among many things, it failed to address these issues properly and was merely a mishmash of concepts most of them based on 'mutual good-will'. Of course, good will needs to be there.. no partnership can be based on mistrust.. however even the most loving couple will soon break apart if there is no common understanding between them as their love making will only take them so far. The politicans job is to reflect this common understanding to the people by addressing issues which are of their concern. And this takes time, especially when we deal with two different ethnicities that have been separated for a considerable amount of time and indeed have solid reasons of not trusting each other. |
Yes there is much truth in what you have written , but the situation you have mentioned concerning the Politicians is right and wrong, the bit about all the benefits is right but the bit about them wanting reunification is wrong as they do not wan't to share that power and the money that comes with it |
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Dream_Merchant
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Yes there is much truth in what you have written , but the situation you have mentioned concerning the Politicians is right and wrong, the bit about all the benefits is right but the bit about them wanting reunification is wrong as they do not wan't to share that power and the money that comes with it |
Ach, but thats why I said the clever ones. The ones that know that their place is guaranteed in a new Cyprus, the ones that know that they will be the ones brokering the power sharing. The ones that feel their position would be threatened are the ones striving against a solution with all sorts of mumbu jumbo excuses. |
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100%cypriot
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Yes there is much truth in what you have written , but the situation you have mentioned concerning the Politicians is right and wrong, the bit about all the benefits is right but the bit about them wanting reunification is wrong as they do not wan't to share that power and the money that comes with it |
Ach, but thats why I said the clever ones. The ones that know that their place is guaranteed in a new Cyprus, the ones that know that they will be the ones brokering the power sharing. The ones that feel their position would be threatened are the ones striving against a solution with all sorts of mumbu jumbo excuses. |
I take it you are reffering to the G/c Politicians ? |
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Dream_Merchant
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No.. to politicians from both sides. I am sure there are factions that promote a unified cyprus for their own personal gain and it wouldn't be unreasonable that they would even cooperate to acheive this twisted goal in a sort of unholy alliance. These kind of politicians dont understand from such concepts as nationalism, democracy or what it means to be humane. They are simply greedy and power hungry.
And there are also those who are afraid also from both sides, these people are weasles who take advantage of the current situation.. then again there are people who are both weasles and are greedy.. milking our country either way.
Blearg.. thats why I don't ever want to go into politics. Too much grease. |
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100%cypriot
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No.. to politicians from both sides. I am sure there are factions that promote a unified cyprus for their own personal gain and it wouldn't be unreasonable that they would even cooperate to acheive this twisted goal in a sort of unholy alliance. These kind of politicians dont understand from such concepts as nationalism, democracy or what it means to be humane. They are simply greedy and power hungry.
And there are also those who are afraid also from both sides, these people are weasles who take advantage of the current situation.. then again there are people who are both weasles and are greedy.. milking our country either way.
Blearg.. thats why I don't ever want to go into politics. Too much grease. |
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100%cypriot
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Do not ignore the vandalism of the Greek Cypriot youth and some taxi drivers, who stab, kidnap tourists, attack and rape them. There are more than 500 hundred Aids cases reports of endemic meningitis and epidemic of tuberculosis, brucellosis and salmonellosis.
BOYCOTT SOUTH CYPRUS |
The above quote from the site is not original, and the above reports first started when Greek cypriot hackers several years back would target tourist websites promoting Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, and place the above message on the site instead.[/quote] |
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s300
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| have noticed that some of our member's on the Forum seem to suffer from Amnesia when it involves what their people have done to Cyprus. |
Who is "their people"? Are you saying that if one lunatic commits an illegal attack then other people are who are members of"the lunatic's people" are in anyway responsible? That is stone-age tribalism. This is 2006 you can't make individuals responsible for the acts of a lunatic just because the lunatic "is one of them". |
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100%cypriot
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| have noticed that some of our member's on the Forum seem to suffer from Amnesia when it involves what their people have done to Cyprus. |
Who is "their people"? Are you saying that if one lunatic commits an illegal attack then other people are who are members of"the lunatic's people" are in anyway responsible? That is stone-age tribalism. This is 2006 you can't make individuals responsible for the acts of a lunatic just because the lunatic "is one of them". |
very good point ! |
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Crash Test Dummy
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100% Cypriot if you stand up for such a site then you need some help.
It could be the most bullshit I have ever read 9apart from some of the posts on here)
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They built up air and naval bases at tourist cities such as Paphos and Limassol. |
Conveniently forgettting that there is a ratio of about 12 Turkish troops to 1sq km of land in the north 
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| In August 1996, they planned a motorcycle demonstration on the Green Line, violated the buffer zone and were paid $350 each for this purpose by the church |
Wish i had of known. Would of got a free holiday out of it 
Back on topic. Both sides have doen wrong but whatever way you look at Turkey has committed by far the worse crimes against the Cypriot people. |
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100%cypriot
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100% Cypriot if you stand up for such a site then you need some help.
It could be the most bullshit I have ever read 9apart from some of the posts on here)
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They built up air and naval bases at tourist cities such as Paphos and Limassol. |
Conveniently forgettting that there is a ratio of about 12 Turkish troops to 1sq km of land in the north
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| In August 1996, they planned a motorcycle demonstration on the Green Line, violated the buffer zone and were paid $350 each for this purpose by the church |
Wish i had of known. Would of got a free holiday out of it
Back on topic. Both sides have doen wrong but whatever way you look at Turkey has committed by far the worse crimes against the Cypriot people. |
Crash test dummy i do not stand up for any site ! Maybe you are correct in that Turkey may have committed more crimes per ratio than the greeks but we are only talking about what we allready know about, what about the thing's that have been kept from the mere mortals of us ? |
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Crash Test Dummy
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| what about the thing's that have been kept from the mere mortals of us ? |
there is very little that happened to the people that is not known about. Cyprus is hardly the biggest place in the world. At the top level Cypriots know nothing.
If you dig deep enough you will find something. But why create more problems?
We should forget the past not go back and try and find more |
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100%cypriot
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| what about the thing's that have been kept from the mere mortals of us ? |
there is very little that happened to the people that is not known about. Cyprus is hardly the biggest place in the world. At the top level Cypriots know nothing.
If you dig deep enough you will find something. But why create more problems?
We should forget the past not go back and try and find more |
Yes i agree with you here. |
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