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You stole from us - our rights and our lives and oppressed us and treated us as though our rights and desires and wants were less than yours. You left us with no other option but to take by force what you refused to allow us to have and was ours by right.
Is this not to some degree the position of the Turkish Cypriot community in 74?
Is this not to some degree the position of Kifeas today as well?
Whilst I certainly condem and regret Kifeas' referals to 'taking back by force' what they lost by force, in the context of this forum and the discussions here - I believe we as Turkish Cypriot also have to show that we understand these things.
In the context of the cyprus problem , we (cypriots) have been locked in a cycle of 'taking by force' and in 'turns' - first one side then the other. It really is not therefore (imho) so surpising or non understandable that Kifeas refers to another 'turn' in this destructive cycle we have gotten into.
Even as a part of me wishes to stay silent here I have to say imho there is an inherent 'hypocrasy' from (some) Turkish Cypriot that condem Kifeas suggestion that violence may be the only way and a valid way to recover what the Greek Cypriot comunity lost in 74 whilst essentialy accepting as a 'done deal' (to varying degress) that we (Turkish Cypriot and Turkey) in our turn perpetrated violence on Kifeas (and the Greek Cypriot community) and essentialy for the same claimed 'reasons'.
Force of arms WAS used to oblige thousands and thousands and thousands of Greek Cypriot to leave their homes and 'never return' - against their will. That IS a fact (not the only fact for sure but none the less a FACT). It is a FACT that today we still use force of arms to keep those people from their homes.
It is one thing to argue that Kifeas is wrong (understandable but wrong) in advocating yet another 'destrutive turn' in the horrendous 'cycle' that has been Cyprus's history that it can ONLY actualy perpetuate the problem and create new pain, new suffering and new abuses. However to do so without also showing a willingness to offer 'other avenues' and a real comittment to 'attone' for his suffering and loss from force of our arms is to me hypocritcal and as much a continuation of the 'cycle' we MUST break out of as Kifeas' looking to a force of arms as a potential solution.
I believe the 'right' way to respond to Kifeas' assertion that 'force of arms may be the only and a valid way to rectify what we lost by force of arms', if we are to 'break the cycle' as we MUST, is not to just simply write him off as a 'war monger' - but actually to reaffirm our comittment to seek valid ways of addressing his issues along with ours and stressing that there is no other way than this if we are to end the cyprus problem rather than perpetuate it. Just labeling him a 'war monger' (and espically so when done in a 'mocking' way) is imho simply not good enough. Not only not good eneough but also no capable of finding a way to break the cycle.
Again it does not matter (to me) if Kifeas does or does not 'reciprocate'. I believe that such an approach is 'right' regardless of any recipriocation or not. Not only is it 'right' it is our only chance and hope to be part of the soloution and not a continuation fo the problem as far as I see it.
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| We are part of Cyprus. You can’t throw us out. So accommodate us. Let us accommodate ourselves. We don’t want much. But we don’t want to be ‘not wanted’. That is the difficulty. For years we have been told by words and by action that we are not wanted in Cyprus, that Cyprus is not ours. And that makes any community very angry, and makes any community entitled, at least in their own conscience, to take all steps in order to prove that a land where they have lived for centuries is theirs and they intend to keep it as such. |
The above is a quote from a Rauf Denktash speech given in jan 74. Now try reading it as Kifeas saying it today and replacing Cyprus with North Cyprus.
Cycles and cycles and cycles. To break out of them will require us to challenge ourselves at least as much as the 'other side'.
I appologise if this post offends anyone. |
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100%cypriot
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You stole from us - our rights and our lives and oppressed us and treated us as though our rights and desires and wants were less than yours. You left us with no other option but to take by force what you refused to allow us to have and was ours by right.
Is this not to some degree the position of the Turkish Cypriot community in 74?
Is this not to some degree the position of Kifeas today as well?
Whilst I certainly condem and regret Kifeas' referals to 'taking back by force' what they lost by force, in the context of this forum and the discussions here - I believe we as Turkish Cypriot also have to show that we understand these things.
In the context of the cyprus problem , we (cypriots) have been locked in a cycle of 'taking by force' and in 'turns' - first one side then the other. It really is not therefore (imho) so surpising or non understandable that Kifeas refers to another 'turn' in this destructive cycle we have gotten into.
Even as a part of me wishes to stay silent here I have to say imho there is an inherent 'hypocrasy' from (some) Turkish Cypriot that condem Kifeas suggestion that violence may be the only way and a valid way to recover what the Greek Cypriot comunity lost in 74 whilst essentialy accepting as a 'done deal' (to varying degress) that we (Turkish Cypriot and Turkey) in our turn perpetrated violence on Kifeas (and the Greek Cypriot community) and essentialy for the same claimed 'reasons'.
Force of arms WAS used to oblige thousands and thousands and thousands of Greek Cypriot to leave their homes and 'never return' - against their will. That IS a fact (not the only fact for sure but none the less a FACT). It is a FACT that today we still use force of arms to keep those people from their homes.
It is one thing to argue that Kifeas is wrong (understandable but wrong) in advocating yet another 'destrutive turn' in the horrendous 'cycle' that has been Cyprus's history that it can ONLY actualy perpetuate the problem and create new pain, new suffering and new abuses. However to do so without also showing a willingness to offer 'other avenues' and a real comittment to 'attone' for his suffering and loss from force of our arms is to me hypocritcal and as much a continuation of the 'cycle' we MUST break out of as Kifeas' looking to a force of arms as a potential solution.
I believe the 'right' way to respond to Kifeas' assertion that 'force of arms may be the only and a valid way to rectify what we lost by force of arms', if we are to 'break the cycle' as we MUST, is not to just simply write him off as a 'war monger' - but actually to reaffirm our comittment to seek valid ways of addressing his issues along with ours and stressing that there is no other way than this if we are to end the cyprus problem rather than perpetuate it. Just labeling him a 'war monger' (and espically so when done in a 'mocking' way) is imho simply not good enough. Not only not good eneough but also no capable of finding a way to break the cycle.
Again it does not matter (to me) if Kifeas does or does not 'reciprocate'. I believe that such an approach is 'right' regardless of any recipriocation or not. Not only is it 'right' it is our only chance and hope to be part of the soloution and not a continuation fo the problem as far as I see it.
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| We are part of Cyprus. You can’t throw us out. So accommodate us. Let us accommodate ourselves. We don’t want much. But we don’t want to be ‘not wanted’. That is the difficulty. For years we have been told by words and by action that we are not wanted in Cyprus, that Cyprus is not ours. And that makes any community very angry, and makes any community entitled, at least in their own conscience, to take all steps in order to prove that a land where they have lived for centuries is theirs and they intend to keep it as such. |
The above is a quote from a Rauf Denktash speech given in jan 74. Now try reading it as Kifeas saying it today and replacing Cyprus with North Cyprus.
Cycles and cycles and cycles. To break out of them will require us to challenge ourselves at least as much as the 'other side'.
I appologise if this post offends anyone. |
Nice bit of sitting on the line there Erol !!!
Why do you allways mention how right and wrong the T/c' are but allways the Right of the G/c's
I,m not religous but i remember a saying in the Bible " An Eye For An Eye "
These are the words that are allways on my mind when i think of the suffering caused by the Expansionism desires of the G/'s
The Cyprus Problem is not a one way street |
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The Cypriot
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| I,m not religous but i remember a saying in the Bible " An Eye For An Eye " |
I for one refuse to be blinded by the Old Testament. You of all people must also know there's another far more powerful line in the New Testament which says: 'Love your enemies." |
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Kifeas
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Nice bit of sitting on the line there Erol !!!
Why do you allways mention how right and wrong the T/c' are but allways the Right of the G/c's
I,m not religous but i remember a saying in the Bible " An Eye For An Eye "
These are the words that are allways on my mind when i think of the suffering caused by the Expansionism desires of the G/'s
The Cyprus Problem is not a one way street |
I am sorry to tell you this with all the due respect, but I have a feeling you need to work a bit on improving your reading comprehension skills. I am not saying that Erol is one of the easiest people to follow his writings, but at least the above passage was one of his best pieces in terms of clarity of thought and expression, and one even someone with average English language comprehension skills would have been able to adequately understand.
You are asking the forum’s most ferocious voice against the past wrongdoings of the Greek Cypriots against the rights of the Turkish Cypriots, “why he always mentions how right and wrong the T/Cs are but always the Right of the G/C’s,” as if by mentioning and defending the violated rights of the Turkish Cypriots doesn’t by itself automatically denote and imply the wrongdoings of the G/Cs.
He begins his passage by providing and co-signing the understandable and to a certain extent rightful Turkish Cypriot way of seeing things before 1974, and then ends up his passage by providing and co-signing the way Denktash used to see things then, both of which clearly imply and indicate the past wrongdoings of the Greek Cypriots, and yet you accuse him of being reluctant do so.
You are saying in a rather sarcastic way that what he wrote is a mere “nice bit of sitting on the line,” as if there is something inherently wrong or negative in sitting on the line of a problem that affects and splits Cypriots in the way it does, especially in view of you regarding and calling yourself a “100%Cypriot.” When is it you? The time you call yourself a 100% Cypriot, or when you express yourself in such clearly one-sided and profoundly opinionated ways?
Having read some of your few initial posts and some of your reactions, I decided I shouldn’t really spend any time hassling with you. After I read your personal story from the Cyprus mail, I thought maybe I should stick with you since perhaps I made a mistake in judging so quickly. Consider this to be coming from a friend who -unlike your father in law, doesn’t hesitate to tell you anything in front of you. Have you ever thought that perhaps the main reason why your Greek Cypriot father in law doesn’t want to deal much with you, has to do more with your own one-sided prejudices and nationalistic arrogance, rather than with the fact that you are a Turkish Cypriot? |
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Kifeas
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You stole from us - our rights and our lives and oppressed us and treated us as though our rights and desires and wants were less than yours. You left us with no other option but to take by force what you refused to allow us to have and was ours by right.
Is this not to some degree the position of the Turkish Cypriot community in 74?
Is this not to some degree the position of Kifeas today as well?
Whilst I certainly condem and regret Kifeas' referals to 'taking back by force' what they lost by force, in the context of this forum and the discussions here - I believe we as Turkish Cypriot also have to show that we understand these things.
In the context of the cyprus problem , we (cypriots) have been locked in a cycle of 'taking by force' and in 'turns' - first one side then the other. It really is not therefore (imho) so surpising or non understandable that Kifeas refers to another 'turn' in this destructive cycle we have gotten into.
Even as a part of me wishes to stay silent here I have to say imho there is an inherent 'hypocrasy' from (some) Turkish Cypriot that condem Kifeas suggestion that violence may be the only way and a valid way to recover what the Greek Cypriot comunity lost in 74 whilst essentialy accepting as a 'done deal' (to varying degress) that we (Turkish Cypriot and Turkey) in our turn perpetrated violence on Kifeas (and the Greek Cypriot community) and essentialy for the same claimed 'reasons'.
Force of arms WAS used to oblige thousands and thousands and thousands of Greek Cypriot to leave their homes and 'never return' - against their will. That IS a fact (not the only fact for sure but none the less a FACT). It is a FACT that today we still use force of arms to keep those people from their homes.
It is one thing to argue that Kifeas is wrong (understandable but wrong) in advocating yet another 'destrutive turn' in the horrendous 'cycle' that has been Cyprus's history that it can ONLY actualy perpetuate the problem and create new pain, new suffering and new abuses. However to do so without also showing a willingness to offer 'other avenues' and a real comittment to 'attone' for his suffering and loss from force of our arms is to me hypocritcal and as much a continuation of the 'cycle' we MUST break out of as Kifeas' looking to a force of arms as a potential solution.
I believe the 'right' way to respond to Kifeas' assertion that 'force of arms may be the only and a valid way to rectify what we lost by force of arms', if we are to 'break the cycle' as we MUST, is not to just simply write him off as a 'war monger' - but actually to reaffirm our comittment to seek valid ways of addressing his issues along with ours and stressing that there is no other way than this if we are to end the cyprus problem rather than perpetuate it. Just labeling him a 'war monger' (and espically so when done in a 'mocking' way) is imho simply not good enough. Not only not good eneough but also no capable of finding a way to break the cycle.
Again it does not matter (to me) if Kifeas does or does not 'reciprocate'. I believe that such an approach is 'right' regardless of any recipriocation or not. Not only is it 'right' it is our only chance and hope to be part of the soloution and not a continuation fo the problem as far as I see it.
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| We are part of Cyprus. You can’t throw us out. So accommodate us. Let us accommodate ourselves. We don’t want much. But we don’t want to be ‘not wanted’. That is the difficulty. For years we have been told by words and by action that we are not wanted in Cyprus, that Cyprus is not ours. And that makes any community very angry, and makes any community entitled, at least in their own conscience, to take all steps in order to prove that a land where they have lived for centuries is theirs and they intend to keep it as such. |
The above is a quote from a Rauf Denktash speech given in jan 74. Now try reading it as Kifeas saying it today and replacing Cyprus with North Cyprus.
Cycles and cycles and cycles. To break out of them will require us to challenge ourselves at least as much as the 'other side'.
I appologise if this post offends anyone. |
I would like to thank Erol for his well expressed, balanced and positive approach in the above post.
I only want to put certain things and /or issues on a more solid ground.
Firstly, I don’t believe or regard war or violence as the only way, or even a valid way in solving problems. Any problem! Ideally it should never be an option! What I only say is a simple and undeniable natural and historical human fact. That to the extent one side claims or insists on its position to aim for the imposition, perpetuation and “legalisation” of profoundly illegitimate and opportunistic accomplices done with the use of force, to the same extent the other side has the legitimate right to want and to prepare itself to undo them in the same way, should any other means and ways prove to be unworkable or in vain.
Let’s each one do our own soul-searching, and let’s determine with all honesty and frankness whether the situation as it emerged on the ground in Cyprus after 1974, in combination with the efforts of the Turkish Cypriot community (with the encouragement of Turkey) to solidify and “legalise” the facts on the ground, and the continuation of efforts by certain circles and people -including the unreserved claims and preaching of some Turkish Cypriots in the forums towards this direction, (even though I hope this is not the approach or position of the current Turkish Cypriot leadership;) do not constitute what I described above.
On the issue of reciprocating! I have in countless occasions expressed my regret and condemnation for the behaviour, actions and political or other undertakings of the official Greek Cypriot leadership before 1974, and the neglects and omissions that resulted to unjust and wrongful treatment, harassment and the loss of innocent Turkish Cypriot civilian lives. Unfortunately many such things were done and I wish there would be a way they could be undone, but there isn’t! Were I reacted was in cases of ill-conceived profound over-exaggerations and one-sided representations -products of propaganda aiming to solely condemn and victimise the G/C community in the face of its younger members today that did not experience the said period by themselves, and in the face of the international community; for the sole aim of justifying current policies, objectives and agendas, which are based and relate to what had or has been happening after 1974.
I have come up with various suggestions and ideas that tried to address the future, all in a way that I believe will satisfy most if not all of the well-indented, fair and reasonable demands of the Turkish Cypriot community, something which by itself denotes that I am in the position to understand and acknowledge their rights and to compromise with them. They are all here in the forum. This alone shows that I am not someone claiming that war is the only way or option. Unfortunately, the ones that never bothered offering any compromising ideas or even commenting on other's compromising ideas, but instead they consume themselves in advocating and promoting the above described illegitimate claims and aims, are the very same people accusing me for being be a "warmonger." |
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100%cypriot
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To Kifeas and The Cypriot if you have taken my comments as a totally one sided view please accept my deepest appologies as they were not meant to be seen as such. It goes without saying that i am probably in a better position to be able to see the effects that they have on our problem.
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| -unlike your father in law, doesn’t hesitate to tell you anything in front of you. Have you ever thought that perhaps the main reason why your Greek Cypriot father in law doesn’t want to deal much with you, has to do more with your own one-sided prejudices and nationalistic arrogance, rather than with the fact that you are a Turkish Cypriot? |
I like the way your presumption has got the better of you Kifeas about my father inlaw,
You do not know what conversation's we have ever had and i think privare matters as such should remain private.
I do have great respect for all on this Forum Greek & Turkish because i see everyone as my brother !!
Maybe that dosen't apply to all on the reverse side but i did make a mistake of not quoting the pacifistic view also.
It Does me No justice by forgetting and it show's my Naievety in not thinking strongly about what i have said.
Again i can only Appologise.
Kifeas you more liberal way of writing has had more of an Effect on me than when you quote the War cry. Please carry on writing in that way as i find it more constructive and a pleasure to have Dialogue with you.
I don't expect everyone to agree with my views but i accept fair critisism in a responsible manner and again i state you piece aimed at me was Excellent
To also put you closer to the Truth i find it a bit negative when you say i have a onesided view to everything , as you can't be further from the Truth. My one sided view will allways come out if i feel i am being Victimised of which i don't think you will ever be able to understand being a G/c.
I hope from this point onwards that i can learn more about the way other people think and should probably take more time before i post replies beacuse the animal instinct in all of us comes out , that when attacked you must defend yourself
It just goes to show , Treat those as You want to be Treated |
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100%cypriot
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| 100%cypriot wrote: |
| I,m not religous but i remember a saying in the Bible " An Eye For An Eye " |
I for one refuse to be blinded by the Old Testament. You of all people must also know there's another far more powerful line in the New Testament which says: 'Love your enemies." |
Please accept my appologies you have made a valid point in which i had not thought of inserting |
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100%cypriot
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| CYpriot, only in the short run, in the long run, as the years pass and htey become decades, it will be harder for the international community to demand that we give up the land in the proportions we are speaking about now. What are they going to say, that 45 years after the war, and 55 years after trouble started, we should go back to living mixed together? It dosent seem likely, the will of the Greek Cypriot to get their land back might not have diminish, but their will to live with us would certainly have. |
Again there you have made another valid point of which i can see foremost as i see that compromise between us all does not get closer but at times seems to be drifting more and more apart. |
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The Cypriot
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Please accept my appologies you have made a valid point in which i had not thought of inserting |
Apologies accepted, my gardash. I think it's beholden on all of us here to think very carefully before we post things which might needlessly upset others. For if we, on this exemplary virtual bi-communal forum, can't show each other courtesy, respect and understanding what hope for real freedom and unity on Cyprus? |
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100%cypriot
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| 100%cypriot wrote: |
Please accept my appologies you have made a valid point in which i had not thought of inserting |
Apologies accepted, my gardash. I think it's beholden on all of us here to think very carefully before we post things which might needlessly upset others. For if we, on this exemplary virtual bi-communal forum, can't show each other courtesy, respect and understanding what hope for real freedom and unity on Cyprus? |
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100%cypriot
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I of all people should Know better,as i can not preach to others on Equality if i take a Militant or Nationalistic view that i didn't think i had.
I Know how to live with my neigbour and i can be testamment to that by being Married to someone who in other people's eye's is my Enemy i may have shown above all else that i have the same heart as the next person who want's Peace and justice.
I am not sitting on the Fence here because i see it as my duty to teach my own children that it is not wise to hate people because of their colour or creed and that would go against my principle's |
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depurple
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Turkey is playing I want to join the EU without doing anything trick because we are 90 million and if you don't let us in it is because you are a christian club trick BUT failed: Now they know they cant trick OR threaten anyone:
Cyprus was invaded YES or NO by Turkey?
Do they still occupy Cypriot land YES or NO?
Is Cyprus part of the EU Yes or NO?
Has Cyprus got the right to veto YES or NO?
But don't fear Turkey or its military will surly stuff up something BEFORE Cyprus gets a chance to VETO:
What a shame:
Turkey will not get that I am the Ottoman Empire Power out of its head and just be a civilized European Country with sex, drugs, Gays, Rock & Roll, orgies, speeding tickets, running around naked Coolness of the EU:
Turkey future Veto is not Cyprus my friend BUT itself! |
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100%cypriot
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| civilized European Country with sex, drugs, Gays, Rock & Roll, orgies, speeding tickets, running around naked Coolness of the EU: |
I like most of that but not sure about the Gay thing  |
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At one point Tpap will definately use the veto option. He really cant do anything else at this point, both turkey and the Republic of Cyprus have pushed themselves into a corner. With elections coming, no international aid for the Turkish Cypriot for their yes response to the annan plan, rising nationalism in turkey, and also something that most people forget, a lack of desire to betray the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, turkey can simply not open its ports to the Republic of Cyprus and recognise it. It is quite unthinkable at this point. And with all the rhetoric the Republic of Cyprus has been going with concerning the veto, they cant NOT use it.
The question who gains the most after? Turkey will be surely affected by a veto, but nevertheless, its not as if its going anywhere or we are. The Republic of Cyprus will be able to boast for several years that they vetoed turkey, but at the end of the day there will be no concessions whatsoever made by our side in Cyprus, once turkeys path has been derailed, countries you consider friends, such as Austria, france, etc will stop paying attention to Cyprus, and the status quo will stay like this for a long time. |
Your knowledge of geopolitics is limited if you think like this - Go back to the beginning of accession negotiations with Turkey, remember the hostility? Then remember the American pressure and the famous 'giving turkey a date' line from Bush? Clearly American influence has been exerted on Europe for this to even theoretically happen (Turkish membership), countries like Austria and France and Germany, all in reality opposed to a full Turkish membership, and giving very half hearted support to the accession negotiations will jump at the chance to have little Cyprus veto Turkish membership, at a time when the public of Europe is becoming increasingly opposed to Turkish membership (Austria is one example - in which the vast majority of the people do not want Turkey in full stop).
If Turkey is vetoed, then it will turn East, the Islamists will gain tract and it's already strained relationship with the US will break off completely.
Turkey is damned if they do, and damned if they don't. |
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100%cypriot
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| turkkan wrote: |
At one point Tpap will definately use the veto option. He really cant do anything else at this point, both turkey and the Republic of Cyprus have pushed themselves into a corner. With elections coming, no international aid for the Turkish Cypriot for their yes response to the annan plan, rising nationalism in turkey, and also something that most people forget, a lack of desire to betray the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, turkey can simply not open its ports to the Republic of Cyprus and recognise it. It is quite unthinkable at this point. And with all the rhetoric the Republic of Cyprus has been going with concerning the veto, they cant NOT use it.
The question who gains the most after? Turkey will be surely affected by a veto, but nevertheless, its not as if its going anywhere or we are. The Republic of Cyprus will be able to boast for several years that they vetoed turkey, but at the end of the day there will be no concessions whatsoever made by our side in Cyprus, once turkeys path has been derailed, countries you consider friends, such as Austria, france, etc will stop paying attention to Cyprus, and the status quo will stay like this for a long time. |
Your knowledge of geopolitics is limited if you think like this - Go back to the beginning of accession negotiations with Turkey, remember the hostility? Then remember the American pressure and the famous 'giving turkey a date' line from Bush? Clearly American influence has been exerted on Europe for this to even theoretically happen (Turkish membership), countries like Austria and France and Germany, all in reality opposed to a full Turkish membership, and giving very half hearted support to the accession negotiations will jump at the chance to have little Cyprus veto Turkish membership, at a time when the public of Europe is becoming increasingly opposed to Turkish membership (Austria is one example - in which the vast majority of the people do not want Turkey in full stop).
If Turkey is vetoed, then it will turn East, the Islamists will gain tract and it's already strained relationship with the US will break off completely.
Turkey is damned if they do, and damned if they don't. |
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