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100%cypriot
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| turkkan wrote: |
| are you the guy in that article then, who married that Greek Cypriot woman who went to see her father who owned a night club etc etc after ten years? |
You got it i am the guy |
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Kifeas
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Joined: 26 Aug 2005
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Location: Location: Pafos-Cyprus, since 1974 ethnic cleansing. Originally, Lapithos, northern occupied Cyprus.
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| turkkan wrote: |
At one point Tpap will definately use the veto option. He really cant do anything else at this point, both turkey and the Republic of Cyprus have pushed themselves into a corner. With elections coming, no international aid for the Turkish Cypriot for their yes response to the annan plan, rising nationalism in turkey, and also something that most people forget, a lack of desire to betray the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, turkey can simply not open its ports to the Republic of Cyprus and recognise it. It is quite unthinkable at this point. And with all the rhetoric the Republic of Cyprus has been going with concerning the veto, they cant NOT use it.
The question who gains the most after? Turkey will be surely affected by a veto, but nevertheless, its not as if its going anywhere or we are. The Republic of Cyprus will be able to boast for several years that they vetoed turkey, but at the end of the day there will be no concessions whatsoever made by our side in Cyprus, once turkeys path has been derailed, countries you consider friends, such as Austria, france, etc will stop paying attention to Cyprus, and the status quo will stay like this for a long time. |
In the meantime Turkey will not only get into the EU, but it will also get kicked out of the Council of Europe for failing to return the properties of the Greek Cypriots in the north, its economy will become unstable and deteriorate further, the Turkish Cypriots will continue to remain essentially isolated, internal unrest and battling in Turkey in relation to the Kurdish and the Islamic problems will continue and further escalate, we will continue the armament build up in the south to the extent that if Turkey now needs 35,000 troops to defend the occupied north, it will need to bring 60 or 70 thousands, etc, etc. |
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Kifeas
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Joined: 26 Aug 2005
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Location: Location: Pafos-Cyprus, since 1974 ethnic cleansing. Originally, Lapithos, northern occupied Cyprus.
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| turkkan wrote: |
| CYpriot, only in the short run, in the long run, as the years pass and htey become decades, it will be harder for the international community to demand that we give up the land in the proportions we are speaking about now. What are they going to say, that 45 years after the war, and 55 years after trouble started, we should go back to living mixed together? It dosent seem likely, the will of the Greek Cypriot to get their land back might not have diminish, but their will to live with us would certainly have. |
In the long run and as soon as the right moment gets on our way, and Turkey, due to its various internal or external problems, will find itself in a weak position, we will seize the opportunity to give her the boot from Cyprus, together with audacious individuals like yourself, and close the problem in the same way that Turkey created it in 1974. |
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Kifeas
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Joined: 26 Aug 2005
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Location: Location: Pafos-Cyprus, since 1974 ethnic cleansing. Originally, Lapithos, northern occupied Cyprus.
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| 100%cypriot wrote: |
| turkkan wrote: |
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Why is it that the will of the T/c's to get their homes etc etc back comes across as weaker?
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We got more land than we lost in 74, although some of us were made refugees twice in 63 and 67. The Turkish Cypriots in general do not wish to return to their original land, it makes sense dosent it since we got more land? I personally have more land in the south than in the north, but you know we live in a house that belonged to a Greek Cypriot with my 2 aunts, their husbands, and my grandma. It is a big house but you can realise that things arent that great. Nevertheless for 30 years we have called it home and raised our family in it, there isnt another home for us now. |
My thoughts are with you on this as i also have land that my father left me in lourocina but the problem is i have 3 army's sitting on it so if there is never a solution i will never ever see it again.
its a price to pay but worth paying for freedom.
safety and equality in a united cyprus is fast becoming a dream |
It is fast becoming a dream becasue what your side and more so Turkey demand from us in Cyprus is not equality and safety, but things way more than that! |
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Kifeas
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Joined: 26 Aug 2005
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Location: Location: Pafos-Cyprus, since 1974 ethnic cleansing. Originally, Lapithos, northern occupied Cyprus.
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| turkkan wrote: |
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Why is it that the will of the T/c's to get their homes etc etc back comes across as weaker?
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We got more land than we lost in 74, although some of us were made refugees twice in 63 and 67. The Turkish Cypriots in general do not wish to return to their original land, it makes sense dosent it since we got more land? I personally have more land in the south than in the north, but you know we live in a house that belonged to a Greek Cypriot with my 2 aunts, their husbands, and my grandma. It is a big house but you can realise that things arent that great. Nevertheless for 30 years we have called it home and raised our family in it, there isnt another home for us now. |
That's right! You got way more land than you ever had as a whole, that is why you are so uncompromising and keep demanding from us illogical and excessive things that we cannot possibly afford to give you, and that is why we have no solution yet. In fact, as a whole you got 3.5 times more land than you had as a community, but real estate value wise, you got 6 times more than what you had as a whole. You got land seating along the 50% of the best coastlines of Cyprus, and that is why we will never allow for it to legally become yours, as you would wish to achieve. In a nutshell, your motives (not all of the Turkish Cypriots hopefully,) are purely opportunistic and the outcome of sheer greediness and malice! That is why most certainly one day, life itself will create the conditions so that you will get punished for this attitude. I hope, when the Day of Judgment will come, you will remember what you have been preaching and defending!
I only hope that the majority of the Turkish Cypriots will stop seeing things in the way people like you do, and that you will just be a small minority among them! |
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Mete
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Joined: 16 Aug 2005
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Location: Boston
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| Kifeas wrote: |
In the long run and as soon as the right moment gets on our way, and Turkey, due to its various internal or external problems, will find itself in a weak position, we will seize the opportunity to give her the boot from Cyprus, together with audacious individuals like yourself, and close the problem in the same way that Turkey created it in 1974.
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Bravo Kifeas! Good job man! You're doing a wonderful job of building bridges. I feel so good about sharing this island with you. |
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Kifeas
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Joined: 26 Aug 2005
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Location: Location: Pafos-Cyprus, since 1974 ethnic cleansing. Originally, Lapithos, northern occupied Cyprus.
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| Kifeas wrote: |
In the long run and as soon as the right moment gets on our way, and Turkey, due to its various internal or external problems, will find itself in a weak position, we will seize the opportunity to give her the boot from Cyprus, together with audacious individuals like yourself, and close the problem in the same way that Turkey created it in 1974.
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Bravo Kifeas! Good job man! You're doing a wonderful job of building bridges. I feel so good about sharing this island with you. |
I hope you feel as good as me for sharing this island with your compatriots like Turkhan, who you seem to tolerate and perhaps also enjoy reading! |
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Mete
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| Kifeas wrote: |
I hope you feel as good as me for sharing this island with your compatriots like Turkhan, who you seem to tolerate and perhaps also enjoy reading!
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Just because I don't respond to every single poster in the forum doesn't mean that I enjoy reading every post. Sometimes I simply ignore some posters since I know from the way they post if there's a chance for some understanding.
What bothers me is that if a logical and rational person like yourself can present war as a "solution", I don't even want to think about what an average guy on the street might consider doing for a "solution". It also bothers me that you brought this up a few times now so you must really have your mind set.
Secondly, if you believe that war is an option, then there's no point in wasting your and our time in this forum. Go home, get your gun ready and maybe we'll meet one day firing bullets against each other in a stupid war.
Besides, it's better not to get to know your "enemies" in a forum like this so you can pull the trigger without hesitation when the right time arrives. Don't you think? |
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Kifeas
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Joined: 26 Aug 2005
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Location: Location: Pafos-Cyprus, since 1974 ethnic cleansing. Originally, Lapithos, northern occupied Cyprus.
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| Mete wrote: |
| Kifeas wrote: |
I hope you feel as good as me for sharing this island with your compatriots like Turkhan, who you seem to tolerate and perhaps also enjoy reading!
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Just because I don't respond to every single poster in the forum doesn't mean that I enjoy reading every post. Sometimes I simply ignore some posters since I know from the way they post if there's a chance for some understanding.
What bothers me is that if a logical and rational person like yourself can present war as a "solution", I don't even want to think about what an average guy on the street might consider doing for a "solution". It also bothers me that you brought this up a few times now so you must really have your mind set.
Secondly, if you believe that war is an option, then there's no point in wasting your and our time in this forum. Go home, get your gun ready and maybe we'll meet one day firing bullets against each other in a stupid war.
Besides, it's better not to get to know your "enemies" in a forum like this so you can pull the trigger without hesitation when the right time arrives. Don't you think? |
If you do not believe war is a solution, then first get "sorted out" people in your community that believe war is /was a solution in the first place, and who come here and brag for it and advertise and promote their "achievements" and gains as well! I do not believe war is a solution, but if others -i.e. people with Turkhan's attitude, are the dominating school of thought in your community, then the war will eventually become imposed on us as a way out, and not necessarily because this is what we would like! |
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pg
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Joined: 17 Jan 2006
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Location: Cyprus
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At one point Tpap will definately use the veto option. He really cant do anything else at this point, both turkey and the Republic of Cyprus have pushed themselves into a corner. With elections coming, no international aid for the Turkish Cypriot for their yes response to the annan plan, rising nationalism in turkey, and also something that most people forget, a lack of desire to betray the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, turkey can simply not open its ports to the Republic of Cyprus and recognise it. It is quite unthinkable at this point. And with all the rhetoric the Republic of Cyprus has been going with concerning the veto, they cant NOT use it.
The question who gains the most after? Turkey will be surely affected by a veto, but nevertheless, its not as if its going anywhere or we are. The Republic of Cyprus will be able to boast for several years that they vetoed turkey, but at the end of the day there will be no concessions whatsoever made by our side in Cyprus, once turkeys path has been derailed, countries you consider friends, such as Austria, france, etc will stop paying attention to Cyprus, and the status quo will stay like this for a long time. |
Cyprus already used the veto.
Basically, it is not be used as a surprise one day - Papadopoulos is not that stupid. By using the threat of the veto he unified the member states around the minimal demand (in EU context) of opening ports and airports - and got Turkey to sign on the dotted line. Imho there is now no way the EU will change its position on the issue of ports and airport..., for the EU it has now ALSO become a matter of principles - a matter of agreements made. |
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pg
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| CYpriot, only in the short run, in the long run, as the years pass and htey become decades, it will be harder for the international community to demand that we give up the land in the proportions we are speaking about now. What are they going to say, that 45 years after the war, and 55 years after trouble started, we should go back to living mixed together? It dosent seem likely, the will of the Greek Cypriot to get their land back might not have diminish, but their will to live with us would certainly have. |
Is that a wish or a prediction? |
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erolz
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Joined: 11 Aug 2005
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| Kifeas wrote: |
| ..... and close the problem in the same way that Turkey created it in 1974. |
Sigh 
That is right Kifeas Turkey created the problem in 74.
Because of course the Turkish Cypriot community having lost if consitutional and leagl rights for 11 years, having suffered all they did in those 11 years, having seen innocent members of its community murdered by illegal thugs run from the interior minsitry etc etc etc was NO PROBLEM at all was it ??? No the status quo from 68-74 was not a problem it was the solution was'nt it ! |
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boomerang
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| speaking of veto, the UK has been silent a lot lately...actually since the departature of Straw... |
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brother
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| ammoxwstos wrote: |
| Personally I believe as a Greek Cypriot that the veto right that Nicosia has is only theoretical.... |
Hi ammoxwstos and welcome to the forum  |
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brother
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| Kifeas wrote: |
| turkkan wrote: |
| CYpriot, only in the short run, in the long run, as the years pass and htey become decades, it will be harder for the international community to demand that we give up the land in the proportions we are speaking about now. What are they going to say, that 45 years after the war, and 55 years after trouble started, we should go back to living mixed together? It dosent seem likely, the will of the Greek Cypriot to get their land back might not have diminish, but their will to live with us would certainly have. |
In the long run and as soon as the right moment gets on our way, and Turkey, due to its various internal or external problems, will find itself in a weak position, we will seize the opportunity to give her the boot from Cyprus, together with audacious individuals like yourself, and close the problem in the same way that Turkey created it in 1974. |
Here we go again, kifeas gets hard ons thinking about war and killing Turks and Turkish Cypriot but what he does not understand is that they will NEVER get that opportunity but lets just pretend that he does, a measley you (kifeas) and your many racist war mongering friends will NEVER be a match even in a weakened state to the TAF and i think that is what bothers you the most. |
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