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Crash Test Dummy
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| The root of the problem lies in the reps and the bar holders who encourage the tourists to drink excessively soas they can line their own pockets, if the law was amended that reps could not encourage/sell bar crawls and bar owners would legally have to refuse to serve a drunk and if they did big financial penalties and/or imprisonment was the fines incured then a big part of the problem is solved and then all the police have to do is look out for the tourist who goes out of their way to become like animals. |
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Sounds like a good policy to me... also, if a rep officially organises a 'tour' of the pubs, could they not legally be held accountable for the behaviour of their tour party and any damage they cause. If so, I think you'd see holiday companies stopping these pretty damn quickly.
Once again, it's just an example of the unhealthy attitude of many young Brits towards drink. |
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Once again, it's just an example of the unhealthy attitude of many young Brits towards drink.
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Yet again its being encouraged and supported by the reps, its like they almost think they are above the law and have the tourists believe that getting 'legless' is having a good holiday. |
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cannedmoose
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More on this story... isn't it about time that companies such as 18-30 closed down... not only do they damage the reputation of whichever holiday resort they're based in, but one day someone is going to get killed on one of their infamous pub crawls... it sickens me to realise that the lowest echelons of British society inflict their inane behaviour on the locals in these places.
http://travel.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,7445,1557323,00.html |
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More on this story... isn't it about time that companies such as 18-30 closed down... not only do they damage the reputation of whichever holiday resort they're based in, but one day someone is going to get killed on one of their infamous pub crawls... it sickens me to realise that the lowest echelons of British society inflict their inane behaviour on the locals in these places.
http://travel.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,7445,1557323,00.html |
The real problem is ridiculously cheap and frequent air travel; these problems would not happen if the people could not get there in the first place!
I realise that, in many ways, the current situation is a triumph of capitalism - costs cut and efficiencies made to a fantastic degree - but I suspect that, if the number of flights were restricted and the cost went back up to £400 or £500 return as per 20 years ago, there might be net good done.
And, never mind the current fuss about oil prices, there is a thunderous silence from the aviation industry about what happens "when the oil runs out". That is because there is no realistic alternative (unless there are huge breakthroughs, of which there are few signs at the moment, involving non-petroleum fuels, nuclear engines in aeroplanes are the only solution I can think of and are inconceivable for a number of obvious reasons); it will be interesting to see how that issue is finally tackled, or not.
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cannedmoose
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| The real problem is ridiculously cheap and frequent air travel; these problems would not happen if the people could not get there in the first place! |
I agree with you to a certain extent, but I don't think this is the nub of the problem. I'm not someone who would ever delight in the offerings of Faliraki, Ibiza, Tenerife or Agia Napa, preferring something rather more civilised, but if a return air-fare to Cyprus rose to £400-500 it would prevent me from travelling to visit my family over there and would only mean the rich could travel again. The return of elitism isn't the answer.
What is necessary is ensuring that package holidays are not advertised as sun, sea, sex and sin. British (and other) people seem to go on holiday and abandon all the normal reserve and morals of day-to-day life, most of the people who end up having sex in the streets of Faliraki would not do so back home in Fife or Fulham. Yes, holidays are about having fun, but for me fun is not going out, getting tanked up on 10 pints of lager, pulling someone at a club, having sex in the street and waking up the next morning not remembering any of it and praying to the ceramic throne all day... before doing it all over again the next night.
I may just be getting old and grumpy, but even when I went on a couple of clubbing holidays when I was younger, it was about the fun times during the day and the dancing and meeting new people at night. I think the atmosphere would be a heck of a lot better in these resorts if this was the ethos, rather than the tacky chavishness that pervades them now. |
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thebrix
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| The real problem is ridiculously cheap and frequent air travel; these problems would not happen if the people could not get there in the first place! |
I agree with you to a certain extent, but I don't think this is the nub of the problem. I'm not someone who would ever delight in the offerings of Faliraki, Ibiza, Tenerife or Agia Napa, preferring something rather more civilised, but if a return air-fare to Cyprus rose to £400-500 it would prevent me from travelling to visit my family over there and would only mean the rich could travel again. The return of elitism isn't the answer. |
My point is that the return of elitism is probably unavoidable, whether in a few decades or a century or two, for the reasons quoted!
As you note, that would be bad news for people with good reason to travel.
But is going to X and getting plastered, or visiting a holiday home in Y, or going to Z for a two-hour meeting which takes twelve hours to get there and back, "good reason to travel"? The ceiling didn't fall in in the past because they weren't ...
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cannedmoose
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| But is going to X and getting plastered, or visiting a holiday home in Y, or going to Z for a two-hour meeting which takes twelve hours to get there and back, "good reason to travel"? The ceiling didn't fall in in the past because they weren't ... |
Reason 1 - no
Reason 2 - yes (we all need holidays, if you have a holiday home, all the better)
Reason 3 - no (it always amazed me why I needed to fly to a meeting in Glasgow, when it could quite easily have been discussed either over the phone, in a teleconference, or via the interweb. Increasingly I think we'll see meetings conducted via internet link, with the ability to demonstrate concepts via internet tools. It will be good for the environment and even better for economic efficiency.) |
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Once again, it's just an example of the unhealthy attitude of many young Brits towards drink.
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Yet again its being encouraged and supported by the reps, its like they almost think they are above the law and have the tourists believe that getting 'legless' is having a good holiday. |
I agree that the reps are one of the major "reasons". I was always amazed when working in Napa that the british reps officially sold Pub-Crawls to their guests. They would pay amount X and then get on a coach all together (like for a normal excursion) and drive from Pub to Pub. Since they had paid a certain amount they got a free drink in each place. Visiting 10 or 12 a night, little more was needed. Obviously the pub owners think that thats a good way of getting people to know their bar and then return the next day as individual. (Which I doubt).
Could never understand the whole thing....
Not to forget that the pubs illegally pay the reps for recommending their place.
Maybe its a more psychological issue as we mentioned in another thread. That your position to alcohol and your moral/ethic views in general very much depend on the way you've been brought up.
Like with kids, the things that are forbidden are even more tempting..... |
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