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Alexios
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This is a true story(as i heard it)!!
Years ago, an old villager, somehow related to me and well known for his stubborness, wanted to sell his donkey.So he took the animal to the panayiri and put it up for sale. Another man came forth amd they started the old bazarliki Cypriot style. The seller at first demanded CP15, whilst the interested buyer offered CP12.After some owsome negotiations the old man reduced his demand to CP14 whilst the buyer increased his bid to CP13. There they got stuck!!! The bazarliki really heated up as none of them backed down.So at some point, the old man got really annoyed and said to one of the persons nearby watching the whole thing.- Here is a pound note for you.. take the donkey away from the village and shoot it!!!!! 
He was willing to give that extra pound away to have the poor donkey shot, rather than back down and have the seller satisfied for getting his own way...!!! 
This is old Cypriot style line of negotiation and hasn't changed much i am afraid...  |
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This is a true story(as i heard it)!!
Years ago, an old villager, somehow related to me and well known for his stubborness, wanted to sell his donkey.So he took the animal to the panayiri and put it up for sale. Another man came forth amd they started the old bazarliki Cypriot style. The seller at first demanded CP15, whilst the interested buyer offered CP12.After some owsome negotiations the old man reduced his demand to CP14 whilst the buyer increased his bid to CP13. There they got stuck!!! The bazarliki really heated up as none of them backed down.So at some point, the old man got really annoyed and said to one of the persons nearby watching the whole thing.- Here is a pound note for you.. take the donkey away from the village and shoot it!!!!!
He was willing to give that extra pound away to have the poor donkey shot, rather than back down and have the seller satisfied for getting his own way...!!!
This is old Cypriot style line of negotiation and hasn't changed much i am afraid... |
Like the mentality of "cutting off your own d*ck to punish your wife". |
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Alexios
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| Alexios wrote: |
This is a true story(as i heard it)!!
Years ago, an old villager, somehow related to me and well known for his stubborness, wanted to sell his donkey.So he took the animal to the panayiri and put it up for sale. Another man came forth amd they started the old bazarliki Cypriot style. The seller at first demanded CP15, whilst the interested buyer offered CP12.After some owsome negotiations the old man reduced his demand to CP14 whilst the buyer increased his bid to CP13. There they got stuck!!! The bazarliki really heated up as none of them backed down.So at some point, the old man got really annoyed and said to one of the persons nearby watching the whole thing.- Here is a pound note for you.. take the donkey away from the village and shoot it!!!!!
He was willing to give that extra pound away to have the poor donkey shot, rather than back down and have the seller satisfied for getting his own way...!!!
This is old Cypriot style line of negotiation and hasn't changed much i am afraid... |
Like the mentality of "cutting off your own d*ck to punish your wife". |
Excellent!!!  |
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PS. Forgot to tell you the finale. In order to save the donkey, another man gave secretly a pound to the buyer who proceeded to give it to the old man...
Something like secret negotiations... |
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Chapfallen
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Agreement of Makarios - Ntektas for BBF
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Συμφωνία Υψηλού Επιπέδου της 12ης Φεβρουαρίου 1977
Παρατίθεται το κείμενο της συμφωνίας μεταξύ του τότε Προέδρου της Κυπριακής Δημοκρατίας, Αρχιεπισκόπου Μακαρίου, και του Τουρκοκύπριου ηγέτη Ραούφ Ντενκτάς, στην οποία κατέληξαν στις 12 Φεβρουαρίου 1977 κατά τη διάρκεια συνάντησης υπό την αιγίδα του Γ.Γ. του Οργανισμού Ηνωμένων Εθνών:
1. Επιζητούμε μια ανεξάρτητη, αδέσμευτη δικοινοτική ομόσπονδη Δημοκρατία.
2. Το έδαφος υπό τη διοίκηση της κάθε κοινότητας πρέπει να συζητηθεί υπό το φως της οικονομικής βιωσιμότητας ή παραγωγικότητας και της ιδιοκτησίας γης.
3. Θέματα αρχών όπως η ελευθερία διακίνησης, ελευθερία εγκατάστασης, το δικαίωμα περιουσίας και άλλα εξειδικευμένα ζητήματα, είναι ανοικτά για συζήτηση, λαμβάνοντας υπόψη τη θεμελιώδη βάση ενός δικοινοτικού ομοσπονδιακού συστήματος και ορισμένες πρακτικές δυσκολίες, οι οποίες μπορεί να προκύψουν για την τουρκοκυπριακή κοινότητα.
4. Οι εξουσίες και αρμοδιότητες της κεντρικής ομοσπονδιακής κυβέρνησης θα είναι τέτοιες, ώστε να διασφαλίζουν την ενότητα της χώρας λαμβανομένου υπόψη και του δικοινοτικού χαρακτήρα του κράτους. |
The agreement of Ntektash and Makarios it says what the 2 zones will by on the authority of every community.
The federations in Europe like Belgium and Switzerland have culture- language-religion-community based circuits (zones, cantons) and of course non of them is a result of 2 ethnic cleansing (the 63 and the 74) and they don’t have a community that claims the ownership of the other. I’m saying that because the arguments of the Turkish Cypriot’s have sense for the restriction of the 1/3 that can be permanent resident in the north state. I don know and I do not believe what such restriction exists in other countries but in our case (like every federation) is different. This restriction was not in the Anan plan 3 but if I was a Turkish Cypriot’s and wanted to keep an area cultural based to avoid the possible domination I was never going to accept the notion on the Anan plan 3 and I could justify this through the existing data and through history.
As about the proposed solution by Kifeas I don’t know and I don’t believe what it exist anywhere else in Europe or in the world where we have federations with different culture-language-religion etc. He is suggesting a never existed bicommunal ghost federation with no cultural based borders-zones-circuits-cantons of his own mind where the two states will not have an identity to be possible in the end for both states to have the same Greek identity by domination.
The thing is what that kind of solution was never discussed and I doubt that it will ever be possible to discuss something that have nothing to do with European standards where the functionality of the malti-cultural based federation is based in the community structures of the cultural based zones-circuits-cantons.
In America they don’t have a multi cultural based federation and the states are not based in cultural elements and they have only one national language.
America is like Ancient Greece, where because of the freedom it adopts all cultures under the one and only America(or Ancient Greece) culture and the majority rules.
Let’s see some examples:
Belgium as I said is multi-communal, multi-zone federation that every state is based in cultural elements.
Switzerland as I said is multi-communal, multi-zone federation that every state is based in cultural elements.
Netherlands is not multi-communal federation and their states are not divided for cultural reason and they have only one national language.
Germany is not multi-communal federation and their states are not divided for cultural reason and they have only one national language.
Russia is a multi-communal federation and they have 21 states based on cultural minorities.
Canada is a multi-zone multi-communal (I do not know if it could be called bicommunal because there is only 2 official languages) confederation that their states are based in the English and French language. For example Ontario, have de facto the English language and Quebec have defacto the French language.
Austria is multi-zone multi-communal federation close to Kifeas dream where all the other cultures has dominated by the German one and it is not random the fact that is still the most fascist country in the world that have neonazi orientation. But some states like the Carinthia manage to save their culture from the nazi Germanitation and they kept their Slovenian language and Slovenian, Croatian, Hungarian languages are officially recognised regional languages and Austrian Sign Language is a protected minority language throughout the country, but they all speak German and more than the 90% have the German for official language.
My point is what Kifeas for another one time is saying bullshits based in his ignorance, arrogance and fascist mentality.
Bicommunality and multicommunality can exist only where in specific regions the cultural based communities will have de facto majority.
Of course I would prefer this bicomunal ghost federation that Kifeas suggest but the only way to do that is to adopt the English language as the national language to be fair to our history and to abolish Greekness and Turkness for a Cypriotism and to have some sense in the common world wide environment that we are in to. Of course this would not have something to do with the bicommunal-multicommunal federation. |
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Kifeas
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| Chapfallen, I have no time to waste arguing with karagiozedes, imbeciles, insane people and psychos in general! |
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Chapfallen
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Okay great answer.
Do you disagree with that?
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| Bicommunality and multicommunality in a federation can exist only where in specific regions the cultural based communities will have de facto majority. |
Kifeas except of the fact that you are TPap sheep, your imaginary bullshit positions come from you head that looks like an ass that it does not only shit unbelievable and unique (never seen the earth before) bullshits but also you allow to the rest of the mental apes of you kind to stick up in to your head their thing. |
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Chapfallen
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The trip to the federation started at 63 and because of the ethnic cleansing that the assholes of 63 made. Back then we was talking for a multi circuit federation because of the data(cantons) that Makarios (and EOKA, this is another story and ends with the Harting plan) made. We never accepted the federation and we didn’t make any try to restore the constitution. After the 74 we were talking for the multi circuit federation and the bizonal federation that is the only solutions exists for the problem that started at 63.
And the above described bizonal bicommunal federation is the only solution exists (because even if we had the option to bring back the multi circuit it can’t be implemented) after that we will have a confederation (and you will see the difference in your kinky head) – division or war. Of course like your mental father Zaxarias Koulias you are dreaming war but in the end you will take what you and you kind ware always taking (ton loutso) because of your poor eastern oriented (Taliban) mentality.
If the Europeans ware thinking the way you think, Europe was never going to exist and you are realizing that and you will realize for good how far you are from to be a European and to criticize them and by your idiocy calling them idiots.
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Kifeas
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| Oute kai me prodotes exw xrono na asxoloume! |
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| prodotis esi eisai kai oi omioi sou. kai ante trava na pareis ton loutso. |
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Chapfallen
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I’ve to say something more because the above ape who is a traitor of the human race told me a traitor like the traitor president who support with out be shamed for his stupid brains.
I’ve said something above (and other times) that I was never going to say if this traitor apes didn’t make all this lunacy all this lies and before they started their old games to call everyone who disagree with them a traitor or a devil or something that is of course a creation of the pathetic theocracy of PopeCaesarism that Makarios establish in our political entity.
Well, I’ve said what I agree with the 1/3 restriction of the permanent residents. But how can I say the opposite now when I’ve seen with my own eyes all this lunacy?
This person’s doesn’t only deserve their fate but also they are creating this deplorable fate.
Now when I’ve seen all this I could not trust them for nothing, how can I say to the Turkish Cypriot’s to trust them?
And how anyone else from the rest of the world can trust them (except of course if he is Armenian or anti-Turk in general or anti-west taliban)?
The only thing remain is the time when they will collect the bill (ton loutso) for their treason to human race and for their treason to the divided Cyprus that they started to build from 63 and they completed with Anan plan, starting from the day they accept the Anan plan as a base of solution when they didn’t want it and when they accepted the referendum. |
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| Chapfallen, if you think that in order to get you back to your home in Varosha, we will sell out everything else to the Turks and Turkey; you are bloody mistaken! Your Annal plan has been rejected because it was a sell-out, and there is nothing you can do about it, no matter how many cries, curses and other nonsense you will pump in the forums! You have no right to ask me or any other Greek Cypriot to eradicate our civil, human and historical rights in any corner of our country, and forgo our identity in order to be able to live in any part of it! If there is a fascist in this forum, it is you and only you, for you show no respect to the democratic choice of the Greek Cypriot society to either have elected Papadopoulos as the president, or to have rejected your Annal plan! You are a disgrace to the Greek Cypriot society as a whole! Above all, you are a dangerous schizophrenic that doesn't know what he is doing or saying, and you should go and seek medical help; not to say that it would have been much better for all concerned (including your demonised soul,) if you had simply committed suicide! |
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Chapfallen
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| Chapfallen, if you think that in order to get you back to your home in Varosha, |
The village of my father was in the northern state.
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| we will sell out everything else to the Turks and Turkey; |
Where are you seeing Turks and Turkey you poor person?
We ware going to have a united Cyprus with sovereignty and a northern state where the 1/3 was going to have the same rights with the Turkish Cypriot’s and where we could dominate economically and cultural the area because even we like it or not we are the majority and after 15 years there was not any restriction for the settlers and for buying property, everyone wanted could be staying there for ever and the restrictions was going to collapse because of the realities and leave the bullshits for the primary law, political reality creates new data and in Europe nothing wrong is not challengeable, a family that will be staying for 2 and 3 generations in the northern state with out the internal citizenship could go to the ECHR that is not even affected by the primary law.
And now we have borders with Turkey, the half Cyprus to Turks (not Turkish Cypriot’s) and there is 50 000 Turkish troops next to us and your bill will not end there unfortunately.
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| you are bloody mistaken! |
Yes you did everything you can to give Cyprus to Turkey and now USA and UN and Europe you have piss on they don’t give a shit for your illness. You did everything possible to abolish the foreign factor and now you are all alone against Turkey and you can eat everyone’s dick in your Anal plan.
You and you kind are just pussy’s that prefer to crying like farts than to accept their responsibility.
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| Your Annal plan has been rejected because it was a sell-out, |
And what Makarios sign for the BBF was?
2 zones where every zone will be ruled by each community
This is the bizonal bicommunal federation.
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| and there is nothing you can do about it, no matter how many cries, curses and other nonsense you will pump in the forums! You have no right to ask me or any other Greek Cypriot to eradicate our civil, human and historical rights in any corner of our country, |
mana mou to re to kathisterimeno.
You already did your poor person, Makarios has signed it including all the presidents and of course TPap.
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| and forgo our identity in order to be able to live in any part of it! |
No one said to forgot nothing and the notion where the nothen state Greek Cypriot’s will vote for the Greek Cypriot’s senate elections, prove it.
Of course the oath that refers to Ataturk is annoying to brainless racist like your self, but no one ask you to suck his dick, you are giving oath in specified values and not to the person.
“I do swear upon my honour and dignity that I shall preserve the
existence, rights and sovereignly exercised powers of the State within the
United Cyprus Republic; that I shall be bound by the principle of the
supremacy of law and by the principles of a democratic secular State,
social justice and the principles of Atatürk; that I shall work for the
welfare and happiness of my people; that I shall not depart from the
ideal that every citizen must benefit from human rights and that I shall
remain loyal to the Constitution.”
For this no sense bullshits you gave northern Cyprus to Turkey?
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| If there is a fascist in this forum, it is you and only you, for you show no respect to the democratic choice of the Greek Cypriot society to either have elected Papadopoulos as the president, or to have rejected your Annal plan! |
What happened at the days before the referendum it can’t be called democratic except from some idiots like your self.
After all this theocratic behavior he may reelect but I do not give a shit for such a democracy like no one with sense will ever give.
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| You are a disgrace to the Greek Cypriot society as a whole! |
Yes you are.
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| Above all, you are a dangerous schizophrenic that doesn't know what he is doing or saying, and you should go and seek medical help; not to say that it would have been much better for all concerned (including your demonised soul,) if you had simply committed suicide! |
Okay this is funny and if I don’t know what I’m saying why you can’t answer? |
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Chapfallen
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I didn’t see that:
Now that I’m getting to know you better I realize that you are very funny person and I realizing how wrong I was the days you were pissing me off.
Demonized soul a?
And what that means in Greek you judaochristian insult to hellenism?
Demon in Ancient Greek means Daimon that it means the man who knows.
And in Greek theology Demon was the third stage of the human evolution that was Human-Hero-Demon-Demigod-God.
And what Socrates was? who was talking with his inside demonio?
Of course I do not speak to something inside me that it will respond by voice and I do not believe in anything related to the subject but I’ll take it as a compliment. |
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