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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 7:23 pm    Post subject: Smart enough and moving up Reply with quote

http://www.abhaber.com/news_page.asp?id=2454

An interesting article on Cypriot students and success, our integration into the EU is moving along.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 12:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well... sending our best and brightest to defeat Turkey is a bit far fetched but may contain a hint of truth Smile
I think its because Cyprus is so small, but with a powerful and dynamic population, not zombies like in Romania or other East-EU states.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 11:17 am    Post subject: Re: Smart enough and moving up Reply with quote

repulsewarrior wrote:
http://www.abhaber.com/news_page.asp?id=2454

An interesting article on Cypriot students and success, our integration into the EU is moving along.


You really have an underlying hate of Turks don't you. Shocked
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it is quite funny actually.

Bit of a conspiracy theory Shocked

but on a serious note...the cypriot schools are vey good, i mean, my cousin was learning stuff in his 'pre GCSE' year, that a-level students were learning here in the UK.!!

they really push them.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 5:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have you ever stopped and asked yourself why is there not even one Turkish Cypriot working for EU.

IF we were also EU citizens, why can't we even get into these exams.

The answer lies at the fact that in order to work in EU you have to know at least two EU languages. This two language rule is put in order to assure that every EU citizen working in EU knows at least two EU languages.

Well this rule puts Turkish Cypriots in disadvantage. Why?

Because the mighty Republic of Cyprus did not declare EU Turkish as one of its official languages and hence for a Turkish Cypriot to work in EU he/she has two know two EU languages other than Turkish. But for anybody else who is a EU citizen all they have to know is one extra language. FOr example a Greek Cypriot that also knows English can get into these exams and work for EU. But a Turkish Cypriot who knows English can not do that because he only knows one EU language English because Turkish is not official language of EU.

I wonder if this is a coincidence that Republic of Cyprus forgot to declare one of its official languages to EU as a official language. I mean after all every passport and id card they issue contain Turkish too right. Does it not?

And talking about fair treatment. Whatever you can do to keep Turkish Cypriots backward so that they can be more dependent on some other, be it Turkey or be it Republic of Cyprus. We see the same attitude in trade, in direct flights, in everything.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 5:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

turkcyp wrote:

Because the mighty Republic of Cyprus did not declare EU Turkish as one of its official languages and hence for a Turkish Cypriot to work in EU he/she has two know two EU languages other than Turkish.


The first official language of 'the mighty' Republic is English.

Greece is in the EU off her own steam.

Let's not get carried away here....
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interesting, I did not know this. I am still under the assumption that a great emphasis is placed on education in "Cyprus", and it is the reason for their success. I never thought that there were political reasons for the students of Turkish origin to be rejected. I am not a "hater", and it is too easy to bandy around words with the little keyboard. It is an indication of sloth which all of us fall into if we have no clear answer to our own discomfort.

I would say to the state in the north, they are failing their electorate if they want to pass on the blame, what are they doing to make it more possible for themselves to be accepted into the EU, vis a vis, their educational system. After thirty years, quite frankly they have no excuse for this 'failure'.

Blaming the students who are in competition with other students from the EU for their success is not logical. I applaud them, and I hope that Cypriots of Turkish origin will understand that their betterment will come from their own hard work, even without 'government' 'help'.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 6:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

repulsewarrior wrote:
Interesting, I did not know this. I am still under the assumption that a great emphasis is placed on education in "Cyprus", and it is the reason for their success. I never thought that there were political reasons for the students of Turkish origin to be rejected. I am not a "hater", and it is too easy to bandy around words with the little keyboard. It is an indication of sloth which all of us fall into if we have no clear answer to our own discomfort.

I would say to the state in the north, they are failing their electorate if they want to pass on the blame, what are they doing to make it more possible for themselves to be accepted into the EU, vis a vis, their educational system. After thirty years, quite frankly they have no excuse for this 'failure'.

Blaming the students who are in competition with other students from the EU for their success is not logical. I applaud them, and I hope that Cypriots of Turkish origin will understand that their betterment will come from their own hard work, even without 'government' 'help'.


Are you intentionally trying to miss the point, the so called Republic of Cyprus was obliged to put Turkish as one of its official languages and yet failed too and that just PROVES that the Republic of Cyprus does NOT represent the Turkish Cypriot community.

When or should i say if that is corrected and Turkish does become an official EU language via the so called Republic of Cyprus then you will see a strong Turkish Cypriot youth compete just as effectively as the Greek Cypriot youth have and WILL get positions, you can be sure of this.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 6:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gardash wrote:

The first official language of 'the mighty' Republic is English.

Greece is in the EU off her own steam.

Let's not get carried away here....


What's to to get carried away here?

Is any of the things I have said is wrong?

Isn't both Turkish and English the official languages of Republic of Cyprus? If yes, then why did not Republic of Cyprus did not declare Turkish as one of the EU languages so that we can get into those exams as well. The simple truth is that in Cyprus the most known language for any Cypriot other than its own mother tongue is English. But knowing English does not help Turkish Cypriots. They also have to know another language like may be French, Greek, German or something to be able to be eligible for that exam. But for Greek Cypriots all it is necessary is a good knowledge of English.

Are you denying that Turkish Cypriot are in a disadvantaged situation because of this?

For god sake do we have to start from ABC one more time.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

repulsewarrior wrote:
Interesting, I did not know this. I am still under the assumption that a great emphasis is placed on education in "Cyprus", and it is the reason for their success. I never thought that there were political reasons for the students of Turkish origin to be rejected. I am not a "hater", and it is too easy to bandy around words with the little keyboard. It is an indication of sloth which all of us fall into if we have no clear answer to our own discomfort.

I would say to the state in the north, they are failing their electorate if they want to pass on the blame, what are they doing to make it more possible for themselves to be accepted into the EU, vis a vis, their educational system. After thirty years, quite frankly they have no excuse for this 'failure'.

Blaming the students who are in competition with other students from the EU for their success is not logical. I applaud them, and I hope that Cypriots of Turkish origin will understand that their betterment will come from their own hard work, even without 'government' 'help'.


What are you talking about?

Turkish Cypriots can not even take the exam because majority of them do not know a two EU language other then their own language .Greek Cypriots do not need to know two EU languages other than Greek in order to be able to be eligible for the exam. And this is all because Republic of Cyprus did not declare Turkish as on of its official languages to EU so EU does not accept Turkish as an official EU language.

Are you missing the point on purpose?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 6:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

are you telling me that no Turkish Cypriots speak any other language than Turkish or English,why is french not taught in the north it is by the way the language of diplomacy IE the official language of the UN.i SUGGEST THAT the authorities in the north stop teaching less about Ataturk and blaming the Republic of Cyprus AND add more foreign language courses.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

boulio wrote:
are you telling me that no Turkish Cypriots speak any other language than Turkish or English,why is french not taught in the north it is by the way the language of diplomacy IE the official language of the UN.i SUGGEST THAT the authorities in the north stop teaching less about Ataturk and blaming the Republic of Cyprus AND add more foreign language courses.


Oh common,

How many foreign languages know Boulio? I know English very well and I took for years of French in high school but I am not that good at it in order to be able to be eligible for that exam. But on the other hand a Greek Cypriot who knows only English with no education in French or any other EU language can take the exam.

If you know more foreign language other than English, good for you and I should add that you are one the few on the world. The fact is majority of societies in the world teach English as a foreign language, and majority of the people who knows a foreign language only knows one foreign language.

Are you telling me all those Greek Cypriots that passed the exam know more than two Eu language. I.e. They know Greek, English and a third EU language to be eligible of that exam. Are you telling me this is the requirement for them too. Because from where I am sitting it is not just enough to know English and Turkish but I have to know another third EU language to be able to be eligible for that exam.

People keep on missing the point, and I wonder if it is on purpose.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't deny this, I did not know this.

But if the government that is the ruling authority of Turcophones knew this, and did nothing to better their own position, then why blame the Grecophone students, who comparitively, excel among other EU nations.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 6:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i know three languages and yes i grew up in the states and in comparison to Greek friends in Greece the have speak more foreign languages than most,i work with a Greek girl born in Istanbul and she speaks Greek,English,Turkish,french. for Christ sakes my grandfather spoke Greek and Turkish and new a little Italian and he didn't have a high school education.if the educational system in the north is faulty go blame them not the Republic of Cyprus.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

boulio wrote:
i know three languages and yes i grew up in the states and in comparison to Greek friends in Greece the have speak more foreign languages than most,i work with a Greek girl born in Istanbul and she speaks Greek,English,Turkish,french. for Christ sakes my grandfather spoke Greek and Turkish and new a little Italian and he didn't have a high school education.if the educational system in the north is faulty go blame them not the Republic of Cyprus.


You are purposely avoiding what is being said to justify the actions of the Republic of Cyprus, BRAVO you are a true Greek Cypriot patriot. Rolling Eyes
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