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Kifeas
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Joined: 26 Aug 2005
Posts: 2733
Location: Location: Pafos-Cyprus, since 1974 ethnic cleansing. Originally, Lapithos, northern occupied Cyprus.
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| Yes, and as many people are laughing at him...does that mean that because he is the representative of the people who voted for him, cypriots, that people are laughing at cypriots too! |
You do not make so much sense here, can you rephrase?
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| Kifeas, politicains need to be responsible, that was not responsible... it may be courageous, but not responsible, to walk and take down a flag of an oppressor who have guards within shooting range. |
And why what Matsakis did was not responsible?
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| Are you saying that people should go and follow his example..and inevitably get shot(cos not everyone can have tv/press cameras photoing them all?) go on kifeas...if it is such a nobel thing to do, why have you not done so? |
No I am not saying that people should invariable and arbitrary go and follow his example! I have already answered this above, where I said that if it comes to putting your life to a certain risk, you better save it and risk it only for more useful and meaningful purposes and objectives, because it is the most precious thing we all have.
However, it is one thing to say the above, and another thing to try and ridicule his act, and try to downplay the real message behind it by overemphasizing instead the less important parameters of his deed. This is what I do not accept, i.e. to live the ball and play the man, just becasue it looks fashionable and trendy to do so! |
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Dhavlos
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Joined: 13 Aug 2005
Posts: 4697
Location: Birmingham
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| Kifeas wrote: |
| Dhavlos wrote: |
| Yes, and as many people are laughing at him...does that mean that because he is the representative of the people who voted for him, cypriots, that people are laughing at cypriots too! |
You do not make so much sense here, can you rephrase? |
sorry...basically... if he is a representative of the people, then what he does is a reflection of the people. So if people are laughing at him, they are laughing at the people who voted for him...cypriots! which makes people less sympathitic to the (Greek Cypriot view of the)cyprob, imo.
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| Dhavlos wrote: |
| Kifeas, politicains need to be responsible, that was not responsible... it may be courageous, but not responsible, to walk and take down a flag of an oppressor who have guards within shooting range. |
And why what Matsakis did was not responsible? |
because he put his life in danger, and as a person who people 'look up to', he should be setting an example. Just how teachers are looked up to by their pupils, and parents to their children, so is matsakis to his electorate. What he does has to set a good example..maybe it is good morally, but possibly not good in the sense that his life was in danger for something that would inevitably not really come to anything(for him or the good of Cyprus)
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| Dhavlos wrote: |
| Are you saying that people should go and follow his example..and inevitably get shot(cos not everyone can have tv/press cameras photoing them all?) go on kifeas...if it is such a nobel thing to do, why have you not done so? |
No I am not saying that people should invariable and arbitrary go and follow his example! I have already answered this above, where I said that if it comes to putting your life to a certain risk, you better save it and risk it only for more useful and meaningful purposes and objectives, because it is the most precious thing we all have. |
so why did he do it? he thus(from your thesis) would have been more successful doing some kind of diplomatic work in the EU...lobbing? Rather than through putting his life in danger.
Since this event, what has happened to improve the cyprob? |
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givepeaceachance
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Joined: 03 Mar 2006
Posts: 70
Location: Larnaca
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Admittedly gentlemen it was a risky thing to do, again this comes down to my original question he is either really brave and clever or incredibly stupid.
One recalls the last person who climbed up a flagpole to bring down a Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus flag.
Ten years ago already this year, Solomos Solomou got shot in Dherynia following the funeral of his cousin Tassos who died during the clashes.
He too attempted to remove the flag-and got shot by the 'agriculture minister' from the other side of the green line who to this day has not been brought to justice over that assasination.
So given Solomos Solomous unfortunate fate i think Matsakis is incredibly lucky he didnt end up going the same way, on a sunny day with cameras and people all around him, just like SS 10 years ago. I only hope the man himself can appreciate that the next time he has an ingenious idea of showing how patriotic he is, so close to the divided line.. |
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repulsewarrior
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Joined: 06 Jan 2006
Posts: 1767
Location: Canada
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Solomos Solomou, thank-you for reminding us, that a flag, is something that people kill for, and Mr. Matsakis must have known there was some risk to his life as well.
Wreckless endangerment, no such charge was laid, but theft. It reveals a weakness in the jurisprudence and the philosophy of that Court, although the Judgement is not unreasonable, prosecutors will refine this error for the next time, to better prepare, so that if you get shot, it's your fault.
Our representatives should not be out and about doing one form of petty crime or the other. As a citizen, he may argue that he was doing it for one reason or the other, but politically speaking, he cannot willfully commit any offence, without being willing to resign.
He is lucky that the charges were not well played. |
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depurple
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Joined: 06 Dec 2005
Posts: 2879
Location: Australia
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Matsakis is tried a very smart move and will try again:
He wants to put Turkey in the lime light to see EU reaction:
But this time Turkey did well: Next Time who knows? |
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Crash Test Dummy
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Joined: 25 Sep 2005
Posts: 4911
Location: London(ish)
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| Can anybody find an impartial report of the story? On google I can only find greek and turkish reports. |
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Dhavlos
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Joined: 13 Aug 2005
Posts: 4697
Location: Birmingham
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| probably cos only greeks and turks care. |
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Crash Test Dummy
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givepeaceachance
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Joined: 03 Mar 2006
Posts: 70
Location: Larnaca
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Difficult but cannot find anything which is written objectively and non biasedly on the net..
There must be sothing somewhere like in the Alaskan Weekly or something??!?!?!?!?!?!?!? |
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