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cannedmoose
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| Crash Test Dummy wrote: |
| Why dont you try winning the arguement instead of putting down the opposition? |
You should realise now that that's not his way... |
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Kifeas
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| It is your fictitious allegation and deliberate imagination that Matsakis was laughed at for taking the flag to the EP. I have heard quite the opposite! Shame on you for lying in the forums, just because you have become a compromised individual with injustice and illegality! |
Have you actually spoken to anyone from the EP directly Kifeas? I have spoken to a number of them and asked them about this incident. While they expressed concern that Matsakis was 'arrested' (I hope you're happy that I put that in inverted commas, wouldn't want to offend your sensitivity to the 'pseudo-state'  ), they completely disagreed with his methods and said that it was not becoming of an official representative to engage in publicity stunts that endangered his own life and encouraged others to do likewise. Do you advocate that others should storm the buffer zone and take down all the Turkish flags on guardposts? If so, you are advocating mass suicide. Matsakis carefully calculated that no Turkish troops would be present where he crossed, if there had been, do you really think he would have done so? No, all he cares about is publicising himself, nothing more... unless you include detracting from his alternative dubious activities.
Another example of Matsakis' self-seeking ways is his role in the exhumation of Charalambos Palma in 1999. He was appointed by Maroulla Palma to be present at the exhumation as her representative, the exhumation process was lengthy and took many days, but Matsakis only arrived each day at the same time that the TV cameras turned up, briefly went to the gravesite to see what was going on and then disappeared as quickly as he arrived. He was supposed to be on-site for the whole process but used it as an opportunity for himself, not as a caring representative of a distraught and courageous woman, who herself was present for the duration of the process.
How you can support such a man is simply beyond me. It demonstrates that in the end you care more about style than substance. Style won't solve the Cyprus problem... the sooner you realise this, the better. |
1. I have also spoken with many from the EP, which have all contradicted what you are saying and instead they verified what I said!
2. I do not advocate that anyone should risk their lives so that they take down a Turkish flag, simply because their lives are the most precious thing they possess and should only be risked for far more useful objectives.
3. We are talking about a specific issue here, and what is important in the present discussion is the act of taking down the flag, and not the person that did it or his other past actions in relation to other issues. Therefore, do not divert the subject of the issue and its moral!
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Crash Test Dummy
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Moose can we not turn this thread into a slagging-off match.
Matsakis on more than one occasion has made an joke out of the Cyprus problem. |
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Kifeas
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| cannedmoose wrote: |
| Kifeas wrote: |
Why you didn't ask the same question to Moose? |
I just answered... I'm happy to PM you names and email addresses if you wish to check this with them... |
Post them here, together with the content of the messages you claim they send to you on the issue! |
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depurple
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Boys I told this would happen ages ago: Yes another DP and his Crystal ball:
Turkey is a very smart political country they will not fall into the TRAPS: Matsakis had a good one: Just like the Jews with the Cartoons: Turkey backed off: All the west was watching:
And in this case just like the Turkish journalist? The EU is watching Turkey: So far so good But we will see HOW LONG Turkey can put on this facade?
OK for all the intellectuals it was the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus that dropped the charges: No my friend it was Turkey who TOLD the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus to drop the charges: Besides it was a Turkish flag wasn't it?
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Kifeas
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| cannedmoose wrote: |
| I hope you're happy that I put that in inverted commas, wouldn't want to offend your sensitivity to the 'pseudo-state' ) |
Whether from now on you put illegal entities or illegal acts in inverted commas or not, is completely irrelevant to me, since I have personally concluded that you are a sympathizer with the illegal occupation of my country and the rest of the fait accomplices that went with it.
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| Matsakis carefully calculated that no Turkish troops would be present where he crossed, if there had been, do you really think he would have done so? |
There is absolutely nothing wrong with carefully calculating ones acts, especially if his very life will be put at stake. Since when this fact has become an argument or a criteria based on which one should evaluate an act of demonstration against the occupation of his country?
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| No, all he cares about is publicising himself, nothing more... unless you include detracting from his alternative dubious activities. |
The very act of taking the flag down was a symbolic one and as such it required publicity, otherwise it would have been completely meaningless. The very act of demonstrating against something is by itself an act of publicizing a problem, and therefore seeking the presence of the media doesn’t make your act less credible!
You must be indeed very dry of valid arguments to go down to such cheap ones like those you produced above!
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Crash Test Dummy
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| Kifeas wrote: |
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Why you didn't ask the same question to Moose? |
I just answered... I'm happy to PM you names and email addresses if you wish to check this with them... |
Post them here, together with the content of the messages you claim they send to you on the issue! |
You too then Kifeas. Who was your MEP? |
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cannedmoose
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Moose can we not turn this thread into a slagging-off match.
Matsakis on more than one occasion has made an joke out of the Cyprus problem. |
Fair enough Dummy, point noted... while being away this week I forgot just how much some attitudes on this forum vex me...
Kifeas, unlike you, I will not disclose my sources in public when the content of our discussions was private. However, I reiterate my offer to send you contact details for you to verify their views on this issue. I also think it's best that you and I don't have any further discussions in the public forum because I find it increasingly impossible not to respond to you in the same harsh spirit that you demonstrate to others in your posts. |
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Kifeas
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| cannedmoose wrote: |
| Crash Test Dummy wrote: |
Moose can we not turn this thread into a slagging-off match.
Matsakis on more than one occasion has made an joke out of the Cyprus problem. |
Fair enough Dummy, point noted... while being away this week I forgot just how much some attitudes on this forum vex me...
Kifeas, unlike you, I will not disclose my sources in public when the content of our discussions was private. However, I reiterate my offer to send you contact details for you to verify their views on this issue. I also think it's best that you and I don't have any further discussions in the public forum because I find it increasingly impossible not to respond to you in the same harsh spirit that you demonstrate to others in your posts. |
Oh ...I see! Now they are private conversations! I claim that you was just lying to everybody here, just because you feel the need to fit into the trend of this forum which wants to see Matsakis been ridiculed for taking down the Turkish flag!
If you cannot disclose your evidence, then do not make use of it at all! |
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cannedmoose
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Oh ...I see! Now they are private conversations! I claim that you was just lying to everybody here, just because you feel the need to fit into the trend of this forum which wants to see Matsakis been ridiculed for taking down the Turkish flag!
If you cannot disclose your evidence, then do not make use of it at all! |
I'll state this very clearly, so that you can understand...
Goodbye Kifeas...
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Kifeas
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| cannedmoose wrote: |
| Kifeas wrote: |
Oh ...I see! Now they are private conversations! I claim that you was just lying to everybody here, just because you feel the need to fit into the trend of this forum which wants to see Matsakis been ridiculed for taking down the Turkish flag!
If you cannot disclose your evidence, then do not make use of it at all! |
I'll state this very clearly, so that you can understand...
Goodbye Kifeas... |
Goodbye Moose....! |
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depurple
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Canned Moose and Kifeas what the hell are you guys doing:
Just calm down for God's sake:
Kifeas it wasn't a Mastakis win you know that: Matsakis Lost!!!!!
Turkey won: So don't make a big deal out of it:
You know why Mastakis lost don't you?
Work it out on your own:
Moose let it ride:
I knew from the start that Matsakis and Pumak where going to be let off:
That is Politics which I am afraid many on this forum are still in the infant stage:
OK: let me ask you both one question because you two look like you know a lot about Cyprus:
I asked Eric this question and also my friend the Irish DON but no answer:
Why did Turkey only take half of NICOSIA where they could of taken it all in 1974 without any resistance:
Common gentlemen! I know the answer BUT do you?
PS Are you Cypriots, Greeks, Poms, Turks or Aussie???????? Cant work it out? |
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cannedmoose
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| depurple wrote: |
| PS Are you Cypriots, Greeks, Poms, Turks or Aussie???????? Cant work it out? |
Pom |
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Kifeas
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| depurple wrote: |
Canned Moose and Kifeas what the hell are you guys doing:
Just calm down for God's sake:
Kifeas it wasn't a Mastakis win you know that: Matsakis Lost!!!!!
Turkey won: So don't make a big deal out of it:
You know why Mastakis lost don't you?
Work it out on your own:
Moose let it ride:
I knew from the start that Matsakis and Pumak where going to be let off:
That is Politics which I am afraid many on this forum are still in the infant stage:
OK: let me ask you both one question because you two look like you know a lot about Cyprus:
I asked Eric this question and also my friend the Irish DON but no answer:
Why did Turkey only take half of NICOSIA where they could of taken it all in 1974 without any resistance:
Common gentlemen! I know the answer BUT do you?
PS Are you Cypriots, Greeks, Poms, Turks or Aussie???????? Cant work it out? |
Depurple, should you ever catch your self sober; let me know so that we may have some conversation in the forum! |
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depurple
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| So the answer to PART 2 of the above question about Nicosia is????????????? |
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