Last COREPER decision

Birkibrisli · Deputy Joined: 29 Aug 2005 Posts: 1466 Location: Australia

Dear viewpoint...When are you going to face the reality?
Your "Mother" has done a deal with your country (oops,I mean arch enemy),it is game,set and match...Turkey has already accepted the three conditions for direct trade,in exchange of the R of C(your country and arch enemy) not vetoing the beginning of access negotiations with the EU.
They just don't know how to tell you that. But they told Talat,that is why he needed a heart by-pass operation.I hope your health is better than Talat's...

Viewpoint · Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 9:59 am Post subject:

Birkibrisli · Deputy Joined: 29 Aug 2005 Posts: 1466 Location: Australia

Viewpoint,
I am sorry if i gave you the impression that I was gloating about the recent developments.Far from it.I am watching things with a degree of sadness,because once again my people, the Turkish Cypriots have been the victims of Turkey's interests. I wish I had your confidence in Turkey and the Erdogan government to do the right thing by the Turkish Cypriots. The right thing for Turkey to do is to be honest with us,tell us that the interests of the 70 Million Turks will never be compromised for 100,000 Turkish Cypriots.

But they are not going to do that.They will use the Cyprus card to smooth their own way into the EU,and bit by bit Our interests will be sacrificed both in the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus and the Republic of Cyprus.20 years down the track,when not many Turkish Cypriots are left to form any kind of effective opposition,they will show us a bit of land near Mersin,and tell us to come and build our Turkish Cypriot village there if we don't want to emmigrate to an EU country. If they told us that now we still have a chance of negotiating an honourable return to the Republic of Cyprus and live in our own country with our own compatriots in a democracy watched over by the EU human rights commission.Remember there are 31 more headings to negotiate with 25 EU countries including Cyprus. Where do you think Turkey will find another 31 concessions on Cypro??? Mad

brother · Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 2:38 pm Post subject:

pg · Deputy Joined: 17 Jan 2006 Posts: 1485 Location: Cyprus

Viewpoint · Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 10:28 pm Post subject:

Viewpoint · Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 11:11 pm Post subject:

repulsewarrior · Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 11:28 pm Post subject:

It is entirely possible that the Greeks will get representation equal to the Turkish authority, in the north, smoothing the way for a constitutional change, a bi-cameral legislature, and communal authorities bi-zonally.

Without the potential of resettlement, there is, imo, no starting point because it is an inalienable Human Right. When the time comes, all of us will have to stand up, together, in support for these claimers, from both communities, and the settlers .

Comprehensively, we know already that this mass movement is possible, since it was done successfully, under very stressful conditions, before. The island, its population as a whole, and its two communities, benefit from the diversity, repopulation brings, if as well as living as minorities, in the respective opposite zone, citizens have communities, cantons if you will, close at hand, peppering each zone, where they receive primary care from their own communal authority.

Ethically, as people, the harmful affects of modern interlocution, we should redress ourselves, for, the betterment of the human condition, without compromise and forthrightly, a modern solution, consolidating the progress we have made to this point, toward self-governance, the recognition that our enemies are not each other.

Viewpoint · Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 11:38 pm Post subject:

repulse arent u aware that the only way forward that was agreed was BBF?

Bullika · Posted: Wed Mar 01, 2006 11:48 pm Post subject:

whats BBF?

pg · Deputy Joined: 17 Jan 2006 Posts: 1485 Location: Cyprus

repulsewarrior · Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 4:27 pm Post subject:

So viewpoint, yes its is the basis of my thinking. if you areliving in the North there is a government to serve yourneeds which has a a primary language of work which is Turkish, just as its opposite in the South for the Grecophonic citizens. My plea for Cantons in each region is to restablish the diversity of each cultures customs, whose Patrimony was vital, and still flourishing, having suvived even millenia, without the disturbance and the impasse.

I see our duty to all Mankind, as a superior authority to which we all have a responsibility to adhere to without compromise, and it should be the basis for our solution, which means the right of return, for both communities, since 1960, and the sovereignty
of all these people, their supreme government, representing them equally, protecting their rights, and protecting their right to their difference.

Can you say clearly what the BBF, as a proposal, is to you.

MicAtCyp · Senior Villager Joined: 12 Aug 2005 Posts: 313

Viewpoint · Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 8:32 pm Post subject:

repulsewarrior · Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 10:11 pm Post subject:

Sorry to disagree with you viewpoint, but our solution will have to show to the rest of the world our respect for principals which are accepted by all people, to be inviolate.

The fait accompli is in no way a just solution, and it only proves that their is an openness to dialog rather than violent aggression, especially because all these years have past, without murderous retribution.

You may wish for the legitimisation of Turkey's acts, leaving things just the way they are, because it seems to be convenient and it offers a great deal of what you desire, but without the full cooperation of your counterpart that lives with you on the island, things for you (and us) will change again, and again, to suit these outside forces. Risking all on your support from Turkey, will not guarantee your security.

Are you willing to live with fear and loathing, are you really choosing to be free, sovereign, and self-sustaining?

My proposals, in essence are not what I want, nor are they what you want, they are an understanding that at some point , one answer can be found that is simple, easy to understand, and of a principal all will defend without hesitation.

I have always believed that we can make things better. That means a respect for what is held dear, to all of us, as one Family of Man, especially for the people who call themselves Cypriot, having sustained the changes civilizations have left to be embraced by us, since the beginning of civilizations, even after they are long gone.

Bi-zonal, if it has to be, but not without a Republic, to protect our rights, defending us as an equal, against international players and neighbours, having policies which may be for our division, and which, in no time, means WMD and their ships and aircraft on this soil.