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Eric Dayi
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And you compared me to this "Pushti", what the hell do you expect me to take that as?
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Now who is twisting everything ? |
You said that I sound like that "Pushti" more everyday, so what does that tell me?
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| Behave yourself man. |
I do as long as people don't have a go at me and insult me. And before you get that the wrong way I did not say that you had a go at me or insulted me, I am just trying to find out why you compared me to the "Pushti".
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Don't you remember his War cry after 9-11 ?
the one abot " you are either with us or Against Us" |
I did not try to make you to take a decision on whether you are with me or against me, what I tried to say is that there are only two possible solutions to the Cyprus problem as in unification or partition and asked which one yu supported, that's all.
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| Never mind i can see by the posts that you have warmed up by now |
Warmed up? Man, I am sweating buckets full here, it's 30 degrees again and the fan is just blowing hot air in my face.  |
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100%cypriot
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| Eric Dayi wrote: |
| 100%cypriot wrote: |
| Eric Dayi wrote: |
And you compared me to this "Pushti", what the hell do you expect me to take that as?
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Now who is twisting everything ? |
You said that I sound like that "Pushti" more everyday, so what does that tell me?
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| Behave yourself man. |
I do as long as people don't have a go at me and insult me. And before you get that the wrong way I did not say that you had a go at me or insulted me, I am just trying to find out why you compared me to the "Pushti".
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Don't you remember his War cry after 9-11 ?
the one abot " you are either with us or Against Us" |
I did not try to make you to take a decision on whether you are with me or against me, what I tried to say is that there are only two possible solutions to the Cyprus problem as in unification or partition and asked which one yu supported, that's all.
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| Never mind i can see by the posts that you have warmed up by now |
Warmed up? Man, I am sweating buckets full here, it's 30 degrees again and the fan is just blowing hot air in my face. |
Eric Yavasla (slow Down)
Its been quite a lively forum today ! well that is with you calling me a pushti amongst other thing's  oh dear i keep Twisting thing's
I never ever insult someone that i don't know ! Apart from all the Politicians that lie through their teeth to us.
Put a bowl of cold water in front of the fan and it will act like Air con, If you got some ice then that's a lot better 
Or put the pc in the bathroom and get in a cold bath.
Or use the pc in a walk in freezer
Or failing all that you might have to move to the north pole !
Hmm i wonder if they got Broadband out there?  |
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Eric Dayi
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Joined: 19 Dec 2005
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| 100%cypriot wrote: |
| Eric Dayi wrote: |
| 100%cypriot wrote: |
| Eric Dayi wrote: |
And you compared me to this "Pushti", what the hell do you expect me to take that as?
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Now who is twisting everything ? |
You said that I sound like that "Pushti" more everyday, so what does that tell me?
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| Behave yourself man. |
I do as long as people don't have a go at me and insult me. And before you get that the wrong way I did not say that you had a go at me or insulted me, I am just trying to find out why you compared me to the "Pushti".
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Don't you remember his War cry after 9-11 ?
the one abot " you are either with us or Against Us" |
I did not try to make you to take a decision on whether you are with me or against me, what I tried to say is that there are only two possible solutions to the Cyprus problem as in unification or partition and asked which one yu supported, that's all.
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| Never mind i can see by the posts that you have warmed up by now |
Warmed up? Man, I am sweating buckets full here, it's 30 degrees again and the fan is just blowing hot air in my face. |
Eric Yavasla (slow Down) |
If I slowed down anymore I would be at a standstill.
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| Its been quite a lively forum today ! well that is with you calling me a pushti amongst other thing's oh dear i keep Twisting thing's |
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| I never ever insult someone that i don't know ! Apart from all the Politicians that lie through their teeth to us. |
So now I am a politician?
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| Put a bowl of cold water in front of the fan and it will act like Air con, If you got some ice then that's a lot better |
Good idea.
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Or put the pc in the bathroom and get in a cold bath. |
Too wet, not good for my Laptop.
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| Or use the pc in a walk in freezer |
Too bloody cold and not good for me.
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Or failing all that you might have to move to the north pole !
Hmm i wonder if they got Broadband out there? |
Too bloody cold, too bloody far away and if they don't have BB then no bloody good for me. |
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100%cypriot
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| Eric Dayi wrote: |
| 100%cypriot wrote: |
| Eric Dayi wrote: |
| 100%cypriot wrote: |
| Eric Dayi wrote: |
And you compared me to this "Pushti", what the hell do you expect me to take that as?
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Now who is twisting everything ? |
You said that I sound like that "Pushti" more everyday, so what does that tell me?
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| Behave yourself man. |
I do as long as people don't have a go at me and insult me. And before you get that the wrong way I did not say that you had a go at me or insulted me, I am just trying to find out why you compared me to the "Pushti".
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Don't you remember his War cry after 9-11 ?
the one abot " you are either with us or Against Us" |
I did not try to make you to take a decision on whether you are with me or against me, what I tried to say is that there are only two possible solutions to the Cyprus problem as in unification or partition and asked which one yu supported, that's all.
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| Never mind i can see by the posts that you have warmed up by now |
Warmed up? Man, I am sweating buckets full here, it's 30 degrees again and the fan is just blowing hot air in my face. |
Eric Yavasla (slow Down) |
If I slowed down anymore I would be at a standstill.
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| Its been quite a lively forum today ! well that is with you calling me a pushti amongst other thing's oh dear i keep Twisting thing's |
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| I never ever insult someone that i don't know ! Apart from all the Politicians that lie through their teeth to us. |
So now I am a politician?
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| Put a bowl of cold water in front of the fan and it will act like Air con, If you got some ice then that's a lot better |
Good idea.
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Or put the pc in the bathroom and get in a cold bath. |
Too wet, not good for my Laptop.
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| Or use the pc in a walk in freezer |
Too bloody cold and not good for me.
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Or failing all that you might have to move to the north pole !
Hmm i wonder if they got Broadband out there? |
Too bloody cold, too bloody far away and if they don't have BB then no bloody good for me. |
Is your favorite film TWISTER by any chance?
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100%cypriot
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| eric Dayi wrote: |
So now I am a politician?
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I don't know Are you? |
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Eric Dayi
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Joined: 19 Dec 2005
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Is your favorite film TWISTER by any chance?
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I don't know, I was told that it was crap so I never watched it. |
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Eric Dayi
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| 100%cypriot wrote: |
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So now I am a politician?
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I don't know Are you? |
I'll get back to you when I find out. |
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100%cypriot
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| Eric Dayi wrote: |
| 100%cypriot wrote: |
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So now I am a politician?
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I don't know Are you? |
I'll get back to you when I find out. |
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DIGENIS-ACRITAS
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Joined: 27 Jul 2006
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In ancient times the vast majority of wars fought by Greeks were I believe against other Greeks. So I guess the coup of 74 can be seen in as part of this great historic Greek tradition as well ? |
This is laughable - Why don't you stop reading Grey Wolf Daily and pick up a piece of classical literature for a change? Homer refers to a larger Greek identity in Prehistory, as do practically all other historians of that and the classical, and then Roman period. Such as Herodotus (emphasis on the idea of a 'Federation' for the first time), or the latter likes of Polybius and other Hellenistic Historians, who saw the Greece of Alexander for the first time as the realization of this 'Federation'.
A good source on Alexander with be both Rufus (A Roman) and Arrian (A Greek), two of the greatest pieces of classical literature (particularly Arrian's 'De Indica') I have ever had the pleasure of reading.
[quoteNot only is the palce called Cyprus not under Greek rule today, it has never been under direct Greek rule at any time in History.[/quote]
Wrong, it was under Byzantine rule, and judging by the fact The Byzantine Empire was effectively Greek, it has been under Greek rule. Oh, and believe me, unless you've read all of Treadgold, Runciman, Norwich and Gibbon, you don't want to get into an argument with me about Byzantine History or identity. So don't even attempt it.
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| Well then you have no appreciation of the position of and views of Turkish minorites living in Greece since 1960 onwards. the problems of Turkish minorites living in Greece since this period to today are legion and have been documentented and recognised by countless human rights organisations. |
Of course there is nothing on the Greek minority of Turkey, because it simply does not exist anymore. The mere fact you DARE to question our human rights proves your own warped view of the world, Turkey has exterminated, or attempted to exterminate EVERY SINGLE MINORITY THAT HAS LIVED WITHIN IT'S BORDERS. This goes for Assyrians, Arabs, Kurds, Armenians, Greeks and on and on. Turkey was a land built on ethnic cleansing.
On the 20th of September, 1975, in a special 35 page Survey section of the influential English magazine, The Economist, it was written:
"Turkish charges that the Moslem population in Western Thrace is harried by the Greek authorities are gross exaggerations. In 1923 there were 300,000 Greeks living in Constantinople and 110,000 Turks living in Thrace. Today, there are 15,000 Greeks living in Istanbul and 120,000 Turks in Thrace. The Greeks ask, with some justification, which country has been putting the pressure on which minority". (Survey-15).
NB: There are now just 3000 Greeks in Constantinople. Obviously Turks were just TOO tolerant to them!
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One can argue that the determination of the Greek Cypriot community to force its domiantion over the Turkish Cypriot community in Cyprus and to subjgate the Turkish Cypriot community in Cyprus to the will of Greek Cypriots that has played a major role in much of the pain and death in Cyprus. A determination that you apparently still are persuing today, even after all the pain and death it has caused. |
One can argue about this, but 'forcible subjugation' despite being inherently Quranical (see the Surahs concerning the Jizyah tax for information), is not what Turkish Cypriot's are worried about, they are just worried about the natural progression of Hellenization in cultural and linguistical terms (associated of course with EU standardization) due to the demographic makeup of the island. They know full well that if they let the wealthier, more financially astute and more numerous Greek Cypriots enter the currently occupied aprtheid areas then it is simply logical to assume that the minority will be Hellenized or so close to it as to be indistinguishable.
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You opposed the Brits not for the sake of the Island (ie all it's people) but purely for the sake of one ethnic group in Cyprus - yours and that is the problem. |
Turkish Cypriots did not oppose the Brits for a simple reason - They were offered a deal, a deal as Auxilliaries, a deal to get positions within the Police Force. The Turkish Cypriots have and never will show their willingness to a single entity of Cyprus when they demand property ownership and even entry (even if there is a solution) should be determined by ethnicity. I ask you to answer this question, is discriminating someone on whether they can own a property or enter a country based on ethnicity racism or not?
Is that not racism? |
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cannedmoose
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| DIGENIS-ACRITAS wrote: |
Wrong, it was under Byzantine rule, and judging by the fact The Byzantine Empire was effectively Greek, it has been under Greek rule. Oh, and believe me, unless you've read all of Treadgold, Runciman, Norwich and Gibbon, you don't want to get into an argument with me about Byzantine History or identity. So don't even attempt it.
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Oh, the sweet righteous ignorance of youth...
He thinks he knows everything just by reading a few secondary source books... oh dear... |
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100%cypriot
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| DIGENIS-ACRITAS wrote: |
Wrong, it was under Byzantine rule, and judging by the fact The Byzantine Empire was effectively Greek, it has been under Greek rule. Oh, and believe me, unless you've read all of Treadgold, Runciman, Norwich and Gibbon, you don't want to get into an argument with me about Byzantine History or identity. So don't even attempt it.
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Oh, the sweet righteous ignorance of youth...
He thinks he knows everything just by reading a few secondary source books... oh dear... |
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stavrizatz
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I really enjoyed reading the 15 pages of arguments concerning the ‘Greekness’ of Cyprus.
Bullika wrote among other stuff pg. 3:
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| my point is that Greek was the lingua franca of the Near East Christians, who are mostly of semitic origin, and who despite knowing or speaking Greek are not Greek ethnically…History in Cyprus has shown that it was never a Greek island, Cyprus has always been a confluence of diverse cultures and this Greek heritage you talk of is mostly religion. |
Really I never expected a historian to say that Cyprus was never Greek. This was also supported by Erolz and it’s also said in the official website of Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus -history section.
My question is: What was Cyprus between 1400BC – 30BC and 330AD – 1191 AD. Unless again if you argue that Greece only existed since its independence in 1829.
Well I am not saying Cyprus is a Greek island today but at some stage Cyprus was part of Greece as well as part of other empires and for a large period of time Cyprus wanted to be part of Greece until the dreams of re-union ended in 1960. Well my friend Bullika I understand your point of view and I agree with some points but I don’t think that you can tell a Cypriot who feels Greek that he is not Greek but Cypriot, just like you cannot tell a Cypriot who feels Turk that he is not Turk but Cypriot. In addition multiculturalism is not about the ethnic labels that people have, however about respecting each other regardless of ethnicity and beliefs. No matter how was the plot of Cyprus History, DeLaSoul also has a good point.
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| CYPRUS WAS, IS AND WILL ALWAYS BE GREEK |
Erolz wrote:
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| At one level Cyprus was, is and will always be Cypriot |
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| Cyprus was, is and will remain a PLACE, unless you are into hash or zivania,it's bloody difficult to live in.... |
What Alexios said is clearly a fact (the first bit), about the other two quotes hmm, I don’t think so.
Ps. Bullika: I totally agree of being open to other possibilities. I was proven wrong last week, I admitted it and I apologised.
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Am I extremist because culturally I feel more Greek and not really Cypriot and I believe that a fair solution can be the possibility of Cyprus being re-united with Greece as a result of self-determination…if! |
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stavrizatz
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This topic is supposed to be "deciding the history of Cyprus". Hey deciding Cyprus history seems a very simple task as DP will say, just as simple as the solution of Cyprus.
Obviously not! There are many versions of Cyprus History, each one from a different perspective. The accuracy of the historical facts are related to the accuracy of the sources and the amount of sources found. Sources include – real evidence, oral witnesses or written witnesses.
I believe it is important to collect information from all those sources and record a very detailed recent history of Cyprus, according to the facts. The history prior to 1571 is already recorded and accepted by both Greek and Turkish therefore it is not important to go over that. (Please see Republic of Cyprus and Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus websites - history sections and you will realise that the recorded histories are almost identical – so no questions on that)
Ps. Very good analysis of the recent Cyprus history can be found in cyprus-conflict website |
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Dhavlos
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| i think that any history that is taught to children in school, will almost always be controversial to one side or another. But i feel that the only way we can be honest to our children, is to tell them both sides of the story, and let them decide on what they feel is true and what is myth. Also, it may lead to a 'consensus' on what is actually true or not as more people see the 'middle way'. |
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