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The EU proposal, to meet the comitments and promises made by the EU to the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, was for two things. A (one off) aid package and an easing of direct trade restrictions between EU and Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus.
We want both things. Ali Erel wants both things. Talat wants both things. Both things were promised to us by the EU. The only 'argument' is if we should inist on the linkage of these two things, a linkage that the EU made btw, and risk having both blocked by the Republic of Cyprus, or lobby for a seperation of these two things in the hope that the Republic of Cyprus then has less ability to block the aid. This is nothing to do with 'traitors' or what the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus's 'real objective' is. It's merely an issue of strategy. Strategy as to how to best overcome the Republic of Cyprus obstruction of these EU promised and proposed measures. |
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The EU proposal, to meet the comitments and promises made by the EU to the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, was for two things. A (one off) aid package and an easing of direct trade restrictions between EU and Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus.
We want both things. Ali Erel wants both things. Talat wants both things. Both things were promised to us by the EU. The only 'argument' is if we should inist on the linkage of these two things, a linkage that the EU made btw, and risk having both blocked by the Republic of Cyprus, or lobby for a seperation of these two things in the hope that the Republic of Cyprus then has less ability to block the aid. This is nothing to do with 'traitors' or what the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus's 'real objective' is. It's merely an issue of strategy. Strategy as to how to best overcome the Republic of Cyprus obstruction of these EU promised and proposed measures. |
Erol, I think you better check the facts and the whole story on this particular issue, instead of self-synthesising. Almost nothing of what you said stands correct. |
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| Erol, I think you better check the facts and the whole story on this particular issue, instead of self-synthesising. Almost nothing of what you said stands correct. |
Does that mean that I also have to read the facts again? Because I read them and interpreted them same way! |
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| Erol, I think you better check the facts and the whole story on this particular issue, instead of self-synthesising. Almost nothing of what you said stands correct. |
Ho Hum
If what I have said is not correct then why not just point out what you think is not correct? Still playing to the gallery? |
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Kifeas don't get over heated I to know the man personally and although I do respect a lot of what he says hes someone who plays to the stands in order to gain support for a political career and a place in a united Cyprus if it should ever happen. But his comments tend to backfire which was evident in his overall performance in the last elections, this being a reflection of how much Turkish Cypriots support him.
Kifeas if our economy continues to improve along the current lines would that make you happy??? are the current factors which contribute to our growing economy make you feel happy?? or do you think we Turkish Cypriots should be concentrating on not developing specific areas and encouraged to move away from sensitive issue such as property and maybe more towards tourism or exports to EU countries. Or is the fact that what you really desire is to hold us economically hostage until we breakdown and forced to trust you agreeing to all your demands? is this what you want?? When will you realize that all we want is to coexist without being dominated or threatened by the Greek Cypriot majority, we want to rid ourselves of the hidden agendas we feel Greek Cypriots carry but we have been given no reasons to do this... what do you think would you trust Greek Cypriots if you were a Turkish Cypriot, what safety valves would you ask for???? |
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| The EU proposal, to meet the comitments and promises made by the EU to the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, was for two things. A (one off) aid package and an easing of direct trade restrictions between EU and Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus. |
The EU did not make any such promise and /or commitment, set aside for a one off aid package. The EU reserved in 2003 a monetary aid package for the north of Cyprus, to be given only after a solution /reunification. Several individual political figureheads from the international community (from the US & EU) have given you some non-specific, vague, general and largely non-binding promises that should you accept the A-plan and the Greek Cypriots reject it, they will take measures and /or action to ease the “isolation” of the north. Some even promised you recognition of the “Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus.” This proclamations, public or non public, had two aims. The first one was to induce you to support the A-plan in the referendum and the second to frighten the Greek Cypriot side not to turn it down. The only binding commitment was that of the EU aid package of the 259 million Euros over a scope of 3 years, but only should a solution was to be found and a re-united Cyprus would have made its way into the EU on the 1st of may 2004.
A solution was unfortunately not found and a divided Cyprus entered the EU on the 1st of May. At the fist COREPER meeting of the EU, right after the 1st of May, the Republic of Cyprus, on its own initiative, suggested to the rest of the EU members that together with the approval of the green line regulation, the promised EU aid to the north (Turkish Cypriot community) should be released, despite the fact that no solution was found. The other EU countries agreed to it and thus a decision was made in that direction.
Turkey and Talat insisted that together with the EU package, there should be an implementation of direct trade, as this was “promised” to the Turkish Cypriots before the referendums. However, such a promised had never been given to you by the EU in an official form and /or decision. On this adventure, you brought on your side the UK, which ever since had been trying to combine the aid package with a direct trade regulation that they envisioned and which was ruled out by the legal advisory committee of the commission, besides the rejection of the Republic of Cyprus for such a combination. Therefore, the EU had never officially combined the two into a one off package, despite the fact that mainly Britain and a very few other countries that it managed to bring on its side, had been insisting they should be combined. The monetary aid package is now there, waiting for the Turkish Cypriot community to absorb it, but Talat is refusing to do so -insisting that the direct trade regulation should also be adopted together with it otherwise he doesn’t want the money at all.
These are more or less the facts, and not the extemporisations that you made previously. And I do not play to the (any) gallery! I just didn't want to waste my time writing again all the above, something I have already done several times before in the forums. |
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| The EU did not make any such promise and /or commitment, set aside for a one off aid package. |
http://europa.eu.int/rapid/pressReleasesAction.do?reference=IP/04/857&format=HTML&aged=0&language=EN&guiLanguage=en
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Responding to the invitation of the Council, the European Commission today proposed a comprehensive package of aid and trade measures which aim to put an end to the isolation of the Turkish Cypriot community and to facilitate the reunification of Cyprus. These measures will facilitate trade from the northern part of the island and strengthen its economic integration through financial assistance of €259 million. They also set specific rules for goods crossing the green line separating the Greek Cypriot and the Turkish Cypriot communities. |
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At the fist COREPER meeting of the EU, right after the 1st of May, the Republic of Cyprus, on its own initiative, suggested to the rest of the EU members that together with the approval of the green line regulation, the promised EU aid to the north (Turkish Cypriot community) should be released, despite the fact that no solution was found. The other EU countries agreed to it and thus a decision was made in that direction. |
http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:iz7YRRLhJiwJ:www.fas.org/sgp/crs/mideast/IB89140.pdf+eu+aid+north+cyprus+direct+trade&hl=en
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| On July 7, the Commission proposed measures to end the Turkish Cypriots’ isolationand to help eliminate the economic disparities between the two communities on the island.They include 259 million euros (U.S.$318 million) in aid for 2004-2006 and preferencesto allow direct trade between northern Cyprus and EU countries. Neither step has beenimplemented. The Cypriot government agrees with granting aid to the north, but demandsthat the office administering the funds operate out of the south. It rejects the trade measureas illegal because it is based on a provision for providing preferential treatment for thirdparties and, thereby,it argues, would allow the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus to acquirecharacteristics of state shortof international recognition. The Greek Cypriots also say that the measure is not neededbecause of the Green Line Regulations. They insist that all trade between the north andEurope be conducted via the south. On February3, 2005, the Cypriot government agreed toexpand the list of goods and the value of personal belongings allowed to move freelyacrossthe Green Line in order to get the north to make use of the Regulations. |
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The monetary aid package is now there, waiting for the Turkish Cypriot community to absorb it, but Talat is refusing to do so -insisting that the direct trade regulation should also be adopted together with it otherwise he doesn’t want the money at all. |
http://www.european-cyprus.net/english/index.php?prod_id=319&subject=standalone
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| THE Luxembourg presidency of the EU is trying to secure the consent of all interested parties for the decoupling of the two EU regulations on financial assistance to Turkish Cypriots; the aim is to push through at least one of the regulations, that of direct financial aid amounting to 259 million euros. |
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These are more or less the facts, and not the extemporisations that you made previously. |
More or less the facts? Well the less part is correct I guess. The Commission proposed aid AND removing restrictions on direct trade. The Commision linked these two things. The Republic of Cyprus is blocking them both. On the issue of aid, we can only have the EU aid if the Republic of Cyprus gets to disburse it to us. We can not have the direct trade proposals at all. The idea of decoupling what the Commision propsed and coupled was to try and get at least the aid past the Republic of Cyprus's blockades, and even if that is issue is considered alone the Republic of Cyprus still insists that the Republic of Cyprus disburse the aid and that it can not be given by the EU directly to the Republic of Northern Cyprus.
I will be doing my best to track down any public deatils on this historic COREPER, where the Republic of Cyprus unilateraly argued for and convinced the other EU members that the Republic of Northern Cyprus should get the EU aid package. For the absesne of this remarkable act of generousity by the Republic of Cyprus towards the Republic of Northern Cyprus seem conspicous by its absense in any of the reports I have seen about this issue in the press.
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And I do not play to the (any) gallery! I just didn't want to waste my time writing again all the above, something I have already done several times before in the forums. |
You can of course link to posts you have already made if you feel you have already made these points and do not want to waste your time. |
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| I will be doing my best to track down any public deatils on this historic COREPER, where the Republic of Cyprus unilateraly argued for and convinced the other EU members that the Republic of Northern Cyprus should get the EU aid package. For the absesne of this remarkable act of generousity by the Republic of Cyprus towards the Republic of Northern Cyprus seem conspicous by its absense in any of the reports I have seen about this issue in the press. |
Well I searched high and low, on official EU wbsites and elsewhere to find details of this historic event of the Republic of Cyprus, after accession, suggesting and arguing that the aid that was to go to North after renuifaction go to the north anyway. Cam up wih nothing. Nada. Zip. Probably a result of my own incompetance I though.
However I did stumble accross this.
http://fpc.org.uk/articles/322
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On 24 April, the Greek Cypriot voters rejected the United Nations plan by a three-to-one majority, an "astonishing result", as UN representative Alvaro de Soto described it in European Voice last week, while Turkish Cypriots accepted it by two-to-one.
Spurred by their sense of outrage, the Council of Ministers took a speedy decision to reward the Turks for their more co-operative stance, and to try to reduce the isolation of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, which remains unrecognised internationally. It decided, within two days of the referenda, to grant €259m in economic aid, which was the amount which would have been spent by the EU in the Turkish sector if reunification had gone through, and to open up the Union to Turkish Cypriot exports. |
Cleary an biased article by a Turkish Cypriot loving Greek Cypriot hating Brit. Obviously the suggestion there that the decsion on aid and trade to the North was made by the EU BEFORE the Republic of Cyprus had acceded itself must be lies and propaganda. So off I go back to the daunting EU documents sites to check on documents from BEFORE the 1st May 2004, to expose the lies of this obvious Greek Cypriot hating Brit journalist. Low and behold what do I find? I find this offical EU record of the 2576th Council meeting - GENERAL AFFAIRS -
Luxembourg, 26 April 2004.
http://ue.eu.int/ueDocs/cms_Data/docs/pressData/en/gena/80142.pdf
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Over lunch, Ministers held an exchange of views on the situation in Cyprus following the referendum on the United Nations settlement plan on 24 April.
The Council adopted the following conclusions:
"The Council noted the results of the referenda in Cyprus on 24 April 2004 and expressed its strong regret that the accession to the EU of a united Cyprus will not now be possible on 1 May. The Council expressed its deep appreciation for the determined and sustained efforts of UN Secretary
General Kofi Annan and his colleagues in the search for a comprehensive solution of the Cyprus problem. The Council also welcomed the contribution made by Greece and Turkey. It expressed its determination to ensure that the people of Cyprus will soon achieve their shared destiny as citizens of a united Cyprus in the European Union.
The Turkish Cypriot community have expressed their clear desire for a future within the European Union. The Council is determined to put an end to the isolation of the Turkish Cypriot community and to facilitate the reunification of Cyprus by encouraging the economic development of the
Turkish Cypriot community. The Council invited the Commission to bring forward comprehensive proposals to this end, with particular emphasis on the economic integration of the island and on improving contact between the two communities and with the EU. The Council recommended that
the 259 million euro already earmarked for the northern part of Cyprus in the event of a settlement now be used for this purpose.
The Council asked Coreper to expedite discussion on the Regulation on a regime under Article 2 of Protocol 10 of the Act of Accession with a view to its adoption before 1 May, taking due account of the Council's desire to send a signal of encouragement to the Turkish Cypriot community that its
future rests in a united Cyprus within the European Union." |
Now Mr George IACOVOU was there, representing the soon to acceed Republic of Cyprus. However strangely there is no mention of him or the Republic of Cyprus raising the issue of aid to the North. You would think that if it had been the Republic of Cyprus seeking to help out their Turkish Cypriot borhers, this EU document of that meeting may have mentioned the fact?
So forgive the sarcasm, but really Kifeas, for someone so ready to accuse me of ''self synthesising' and being someone who needs to 'check the facts', to me you seem pretty self sythensising and low on facts yourself.
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1. The EU did not make any such promise and /or commitment, set aside for a one off aid package
It did make such promises.
2. At the fist COREPER meeting of the EU, right after the 1st of May, the Republic of Cyprus, on its own initiative, suggested to the rest of the EU members that together with the approval of the green line regulation, the promised EU aid to the north (Turkish Cypriot community) should be released, despite the fact that no solution was found. The other EU countries agreed to it and thus a decision was made in that direction.
This is just wrong. You can see in the link above exactly when the pledge of aid and trade were made by the EU to the Republic of Northern Cyprus.
3. On this adventure, you brought on your side the UK, which ever since had been trying to combine the aid package with a direct trade regulation that they envisioned and which was ruled out by the legal advisory committee of the commission, besides the rejection of the Republic of Cyprus for such a combination. Therefore, the EU had never officially combined the two into a one off package, despite the fact that mainly Britain and a very few other countries that it managed to bring on its side, had been insisting they should be combined.
Again you are wrong. Read the offcial EU document. The EU agreed to aid AND to lifting trade restictions on the North. And all before the Republic of Cyprus had acceeded to the EU. This agreement was made by ALL the EU member states at this meeting.
4. The monetary aid package is now there, waiting for the Turkish Cypriot community to absorb it, but Talat is refusing to do so -insisting that the direct trade regulation should also be adopted together with it otherwise he doesn’t want the money at all.
No the monetary aid package is NOT there and waiting. If the Republic of Northern Cyprus accepts the decpoupling of this provision promised by the EU from the other provision promised by the EU on trade, which has been blocked by the Republic of Cyprus, AND we agree that this aid should be disbursed to us via the Republic of Cyprus, then the Republic of Cyprus will not block the aid. Unless of course it then changes it's mind. |
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First and foremost, the EU Commission is not the one making the decisions, but instead it is the council of representatives (COREPER,) the council of ministers and the council of the EU leaders. Therefore, the Commission cannot make promises and /or commitments on behalf of the EU, should a final approval by the council is pending and /or is needed.
The EU commission can only make proposals and /or implement decisions of the Council.
The Commission had formulated a proposal in July 2004, upon the insistence and intervention of the UK, to combine the release of the monetary aid package together with a direct trade regulation. There is absolutely nothing that contradicts what I said. This proposal of the Commission, as it was formulated, namely for approval of a direct trade regulation, either combined with the aid package or not, had been reentered to be not inline with the EU aqui and thus non legal by the EU legal advisory committee. To this end, the republic of Cyprus, which did not have a veto on this particular type of decision, had said to the commission and to the council that should such a decision was made, it would take the case to the EU community court and renter it invalid. As a result, the council did not make the decision to approve the Commission’s proposal. Again there is nothing contradicting what I said.
What you have quoted above was merely a package proposal by the commission to the council as to how to proceed with the decision of the council of the 26/04/2004 to take certain measures in favor of the Turkish Cypriot community. (Here I must note that I made a mistake in mentioning that this decision Council was after the 1st of May, instead of saying it was after the 24th of April when the referendums took place.)
This is the decision that the council took on that date and which was forwarded to the commission.
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Cyprus - Council conclusions
Over lunch, Ministers held an exchange of views on the situation in Cyprus following the referendum on the United Nations settlement plan on 24 April.
The Council adopted the following conclusions:
"The Council noted the results of the referenda in Cyprus on 24 April 2004 and expressed its strong regret that the accession to the EU of a united Cyprus will not now be possible on 1 May. The Council expressed its deep appreciation for the determined and sustained efforts of UN Secretary General Kofi Annan and his colleagues in the search for a comprehensive solution of the Cyprus problem. The Council also welcomed the contribution made by Greece and Turkey. It expressed its
determination to ensure that the people of Cyprus will soon achieve their shared destiny as citizens of a united Cyprus in the European Union.
The Turkish Cypriot community have expressed their clear desire for a future within the European Union. The Council is determined to put an end to the isolation of the Turkish Cypriot community and to facilitate the reunification of Cyprus by encouraging the economic development of the
Turkish Cypriot community. The Council invited the Commission to bring forward comprehensive proposals to this end, with particular emphasis on the economic integration of the island and on improving contact between the two communities and with the EU. The Council recommended that
the 259 million euro already earmarked for the northern part of Cyprus in the event of a settlement now be used for this purpose.
The Council asked Coreper to expedite discussion on the Regulation on a regime under Article 2 of Protocol 10 of the Act of Accession with a view to its adoption before 1 May, taking due account of the Council's desire to send a signal of encouragement to the Turkish Cypriot community that its
future rests in a united Cyprus within the European Union." |
http://ue.eu.int/ueDocs/cms_Data/docs/pressdata/en/gena/80142.pdf
(page 9)
The recommendations of the council (instructions essentially) for the release of the 259 million euro already earmarked for the northern part of Cyprus in the event of a settlement to be used “on the economic integration of the island and on improving contact between the two communities and with the EU,” was a specific proposal made by the Republic of Cyprus representative, together with the “green line” regulation proposal, and who was then (even though Cyprus was not yet a member of the EU) permitted (since the signing of the treaty of accession on the 16/04/2003) to express opinion on matters relating to Cyprus (without voting rights,) along and in favour of the Council’s intent to help lifting the “isolation” of the Turkish Cypriots, within the framework of Article 2 of Protocol 10 of the Act of Accession.
The council also asked Coreper to define the status of the situation in Cyprus under Article 2 of Protocol 10 of the Act of Accession.
http://europa.eu.int/comm/enlargement/negotiations/treaty_of_accession_2003/pdf/3_act_of_accession/aa00042_re03_en03.pdf
(page 91)
Coreper presented a Corrigendum to Council Regulation (EC) No 866/2004 of 29 April 2004 on a regime under Article 2 of Protocol 10 to the Act of Accession, which is known with the term “the green line regulation.”
http://www.mfa.gov.cy/mfa/mfa.nsf/B561AC360C9A35B0C2256EFA003330A4/$FILE/Council%20Regulation%20866-2004.pdf
and which was later amended as follows.
http://www.delcyp.cec.eu.int/en/news/tcmeasures/greenline.pdf
The commission, acting outside the parameters of the Treaty of accession and the spirit of “green line” regulation, proposed a comprehensive package that couples the EU aid of 259 mil. Euros with a direct trade proposal, essentially treating the occupied areas of the Republic of Cyprus (as the treaty of accession defines them) to constitute a third country.
http://www.delcyp.cec.eu.int/en/news/tcmeasures/greenline.htm
Cyprus refused to accommodate such a proposal, although it has no objection to the monetary aid and trade through the green line (in fact it was the first one to suggest on the 26/04/2004 that the monetary aid is given regardless, of the fact that a solution was not found.)
For a long time now the UK and the commission insisted that the two issues remained coupled as a package, thus the money could also not be released. Only last summer the Council disassociated the regulations (aid and direct trade,) after the UK conceded to it, and therefore the monetary aid became available, only to be turned down by Talat. The other proposal of the commission, namely for direct trade, continues remain on the agenda, but Cyprus refuses to concede to it.
None of all the above contradicts with anything I said previously. What you seem to confuse is the proposals that the EU commission makes with the decisions that the EU takes and which are done by the EU COUNCIL and not by the commission.
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| Can someone explain to me why the URL's do not work? I see nothing wrong to the way they are formated. |
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| Can someone explain to me why the URL's do not work? I see nothing wrong to the way they are formated. |
get rid of the spaces at the end of the url and before the url close tag. Actually there is no need to use url tags at all, which is another way to sort it |
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Now Mr George IACOVOU was there, representing the soon to acceed Republic of Cyprus. However strangely there is no mention of him or the Republic of Cyprus raising the issue of aid to the North. You would think that if it had been the Republic of Cyprus seeking to help out their Turkish Cypriot borhers, this EU document of that meeting may have mentioned the fact?
So forgive the sarcasm, but really Kifeas, for someone so ready to accuse me of ''self synthesising' and being someone who needs to 'check the facts', to me you seem pretty self sythensising and low on facts yourself. |
Yes you are Erol, unfortunately you are self-synthesizing. It was in that meeting on the 26 of April 2004 that G. Iacovou suggested first this aid to be forwarded, regardless of the non-solution.
From Cyprus mail on the 27/04/2004, a day after the meeting.
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“The Greek Cypriot side proposed a set of measures for the Turkish Cypriots, calling for the 259m euro to be released to the Turkish Cypriots and the adoption of a regulation on the Green Line, including proposals to extend the scope of freedom of movement, goods and services between the two communities.
A decision on the Green Line and the Greek Cypriot proposals was delayed and pushed back to tomorrow for further discussion. The regulation is expected to be adopted by Thursday.
The Greek Cypriot proposals include measures to allow trade in agricultural and fishing products and to allow inward processing in the industry sector. This would allow raw materials to go from the south to the north, and return back to the Greek Cypriot side as a manufactured product ready for sale or export.
The EU ministers agreed a special approach to the de facto EU border on the Green Line, allowing the present situation of movement of people to remain the same. The flow of people and workers between the two communities will remain while measures will be adopted to improve trade.” |
http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main_old.php?id=14017&archive=1 |
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The process was as follows
The EU Council BEFORE the Republic of Cyprus was even in the EU asked the commision to draw up proposals for ending economic isolation of the Republic of Northern Cyprus (as had been promised by EU officals previously) and for making the aid available to the Republic of Northern Cyprus.
The commission did this. It drew up proposals to give the aid to the Republic of Northern Cyprus and proposals to allow direct trade - as aks to do by the comission.
The Republic of Cyprus refused to agree these proposals, that the council had asked the commision to draw up, and before the Republic of Cyprus had acceded to the EU. It refused the direct trade proposals entirely and said it would only allow the aid if the money was disbursed via the Republic of Cyprus and not direct from EU to Republic of Northern Cyprus.
So once again to highlight your inaccuracies
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| The EU did not make any such promise and /or commitment, set aside for a one off aid package |
yet the EU Council (Council of ministers) actually said
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The Council is determined to put an end to the isolation of the Turkish Cypriot community and to facilitate the reunification of Cyprus by encouraging the economic development of the
Turkish Cypriot community. |
Not the comission but the council said this. This is clearly a call to end economic emabrgoes. The commission made it's proposals and the Republic of Cyprus blocked them.
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| At the fist COREPER meeting of the EU, right after the 1st of May, the Republic of Cyprus, on its own initiative, suggested to the rest of the EU members that together with the approval of the green line regulation, the promised EU aid to the north (Turkish Cypriot community) should be released, despite the fact that no solution was found. |
No such thing happened. The decision by the Council to give the aid AND end the iolation of the Republic of Northern Cyprus was made before the Republic of Cyprus was even a member of the Council.
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There was no Republic of Northern Cyprus adventure. What there was was a request by the Council to the comission to draw up proposals. The COMISSION drew up the proposals, in line with the council requests, that allowed for aid direct to the Republic of Northern Cyprus AND for a lifting of trade restrictions between the EU and the Republic of Northern Cyprus. The Republic of Cyprus blocked the proposals. They were not a Republic of Northern Cyprus 'adventure'. It was not the UK that drew up the proposals. It was the comission.
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The money is not there now waiting for us to claim it. The comission is STILL trying to get the proposals it made at the Councils request accepted by the Republic of Cyprus. The Republic of Cyprus is making it perfectly clear that it will do evetything that it can to block these proposals, be that veto, legal wranglings or threats of going to EU courts, unless the direct trade proposal is dropped all togeather and unless the aid proposal means the aid is disbursts via the Republic of Cyprus and not directly to the Republic of Northern Cyprus.
That is it from me now. What has gone on and is going on is clear. That you seem determined to pervert and distort this, and insist on your perversions and distortions, even when they are patently not true , is your problem not mine. |
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| Erol wrote: |
1. The EU did not make any such promise and /or commitment, set aside for a one off aid package
It did make such promises. |
There was no commitment or decision by the EU Council at that meeting, calling for direct trade, set aside for a package of it with the financial aid.
All it made was a decision to end the isolation (in general) but under article 2 of protocol 10 of the Act of Accession (link is provided above,) which then resulted (produced) the “green line” regulation. Isolation may end through the "green line" regulation as well. Direct trade -and its coupling with the financial aid, was a Commission's later invention and proposal to the Council. Not an EU decision as such!
| Erolz wrote: |
| 2. At the fist COREPER meeting of the EU, right after the 1st of May, the Republic of Cyprus, on its own initiative, suggested to the rest of the EU members that together with the approval of the green line regulation, the promised EU aid to the north (Turkish Cypriot community) should be released, despite the fact that no solution was found. The other EU countries agreed to it and thus a decision was made in that direction. |
Yes, here I made a mistake and I referred to a Coreper meeting right after the EU accession of the 1st of May 2004, instead of saying a Council meeting after the referendums (26/10/2004.) |
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| Kifeas wrote: |
| Yes you are Erol, unfortunately you are self-synthesizing. It was in that meeting on the 26 of April 2004 that G. Iacovou suggested first this aid to be forwarded, regardless of the non-solution. |
Says who? Mr Iacovou and you. The offical EU documents no mention of such things in these decisons. It makes no mention of represntations by the Republic of Cyprus. Undoubtedly Mr Iacovou CLAIMS these things, and the South Cypriot press has repeated these claims. How the rest of the worlds press tells a very different story.
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On 24 April, the Greek Cypriot voters rejected the United Nations plan by a three-to-one majority, an "astonishing result", as UN representative Alvaro de Soto described it in European Voice last week, while Turkish Cypriots accepted it by two-to-one.
Spurred by their sense of outrage, the Council of Ministers took a speedy decision to reward the Turks for their more co-operative stance, and to try to reduce the isolation of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, which remains unrecognised internationally. It decided, within two days of the referenda, to grant €259m in economic aid, which was the amount which would have been spent by the EU in the Turkish sector if reunification had gone through, and to open up the Union to Turkish Cypriot exports. |
The EU Council has clearly stated it is DETERMINED to see and end to the isolation of the Republic of Northern Cyprus. The Republic of Cyprus is clearly DETERMINED to try and stop this. These are the simple and plain facts of the matter. |
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